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View Poll Results: Do you think the teacher went too far by saying God is a myth?
Yes, she took it too far .... 82 68.33%
No, she acted reasonable in front of the class... 38 31.67%
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Old 11-03-2015, 09:25 AM
 
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I have a rock in my backyard that I have decided is god...since you can't prove it's not real I guess that would be the same thing right? You would have to acknowledge that that particular rock could in fact be god.
This comment is equally condescending towards the religious. IMHO only a certifiably crazy person would claim a rock to be God. But if they really wanted to they could still think that regardless of what psychiatric condition they have.

Actual major religions have histories and written scripture dating thousands of years. Stories haven't changed much for thousands of years. This is not equal to me walking up to a rock and calling it my god.
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Old 11-03-2015, 09:34 AM
 
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Well, I believe in God, and I also recognize that my belief in God is an assertion on my part, based upon little or no physical evidence.

I cannot believe that 12-year-olds are not ready to confront such concepts.

If you cannot logically defend your faith, of what use is it.
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Old 11-03-2015, 09:34 AM
 
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Sooooo...let me get this right. We've done masses amounts of work to educate our children that bullying is wrong, but the teachers get away with bullying their students who believe in a God that they don't.

Is that correct?
No, that is not correct. It's as wrong as claiming 'There is a God' was a good statement to use or parents who were upset are against their children learning critical thinking skills.
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Old 11-03-2015, 09:44 AM
 
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Well, I believe in God, and I also recognize that my belief in God is an assertion on my part, based upon little or no physical evidence.

I cannot believe that 12-year-olds are not ready to confront such concepts.

If you cannot logically defend your faith, of what use is it.
Who says "faith" is about "logic" … ???
What if "faith" is about "experience" … ???
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Old 11-03-2015, 11:04 AM
 
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Who says "faith" is about "logic" … ???
What if "faith" is about "experience" … ???
Faith IS about experience. But the experience is personal. You can tell me all day that there is no god, but I know that it is your experience that tells you that. For you, there is no God. At least, until God chooses to reveal himself to you. OK, I get that. There may never be a God in your world. For me to allow your experience to change mine would be silly.

This is probably the first test of faith for many of these kids. And they may doubt for the first time. That can be a scary experience in its own right.
There is a popular phrase going about the Christian circles, "Without God I am nothing."
If you are twelve, and you believe that, and suddenly you are faced with doubt that there is truly God, then you are just as suddenly faced with the idea that you are nothing. Pretty scary for a young person who is just beginning to define herself.

But if their faith is merely based upon what they have been told in church and school, and they have no experience with God, then they are living a lie. It's no different than finding out that Santa is just a bum at the Mall getting paid 10 bucks an hour.

It really boils down to the fact that what I believe cannot depend upon what you believe. And what I am, with or without God, should have no bearing on what you believe, or who you are.
We all must first learn to believe in ourselves and then figure all this stuff out.
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Old 11-03-2015, 11:07 AM
 
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The 12 year old actually challenged the teacher, you have issues with this?

12 year olds happen to know their faith and not all need their parents to guide this. Seems more are butt hurt about the little girl standing up for her beliefs......get over it!
YOU yourself state that it is a belief not a fact, that is all the exercise pointed out, too.

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Old 11-03-2015, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Minnesota
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Faith IS about experience. But the experience is personal. You can tell me all day that there is no god, but I know that it is your experience that tells you that. For you, there is no God. At least, until God chooses to reveal himself to you. OK, I get that. There may never be a God in your world. For me to allow your experience to change mine would be silly.

This is probably the first test of faith for many of these kids. And they may doubt for the first time. That can be a scary experience in its own right.
There is a popular phrase going about the Christian circles, "Without God I am nothing."
If you are twelve, and you believe that, and suddenly you are faced with doubt that there is truly God, then you are just as suddenly faced with the idea that you are nothing. Pretty scary for a young person who is just beginning to define herself.

But if their faith is merely based upon what they have been told in church and school, and they have no experience with God, then they are living a lie. It's no different than finding out that Santa is just a bum at the Mall getting paid 10 bucks an hour.

It really boils down to the fact that what I believe cannot depend upon what you believe. And what I am, with or without God, should have no bearing on what you believe, or who you are.
We all must first learn to believe in ourselves and then figure all this stuff out.
That Middle School English teacher was waaaay in over her/his head in this case … and certainly had no business presuming to teach "religion" at some or any level to her students ...
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Old 11-03-2015, 11:18 AM
 
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Faith IS about experience. But the experience is personal. You can tell me all day that there is no god, but I know that it is your experience that tells you that. For you, there is no God. At least, until God chooses to reveal himself to you. OK, I get that. There may never be a God in your world. For me to allow your experience to change mine would be silly.

This is probably the first test of faith for many of these kids. And they may doubt for the first time. That can be a scary experience in its own right.
There is a popular phrase going about the Christian circles, "Without God I am nothing."
If you are twelve, and you believe that, and suddenly you are faced with doubt that there is truly God, then you are just as suddenly faced with the idea that you are nothing. Pretty scary for a young person who is just beginning to define herself.

But if their faith is merely based upon what they have been told in church and school, and they have no experience with God, then they are living a lie. It's no different than finding out that Santa is just a bum at the Mall getting paid 10 bucks an hour.

It really boils down to the fact that what I believe cannot depend upon what you believe. And what I am, with or without God, should have no bearing on what you believe, or who you are.
We all must first learn to believe in ourselves and then figure all this stuff out.
Good post. That said, faith is the abandonment of fact. When you take something on faith, you are choosing to ignore the scientifically proven facts for something higher.

Faith can also be a destructive force. We need to look no farther than ISIS for proof of that.
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Old 11-03-2015, 11:21 AM
 
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Good post. That said, faith is the abandonment of fact. When you take something on faith, you are choosing to ignore the scientifically proven facts for something higher.

Faith can also be a destructive force. We need to look no farther than ISIS for proof of that.
… thus demonstrating huge condescension toward ALL people of faith … and underlining why that rogue English teacher had no business doing what she did ...
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Old 11-03-2015, 11:27 AM
 
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That Middle School English teacher was waaaay in over her/his head in this case … and certainly had no business presuming to teach "religion" at some or any level to her students ...
That didn't happen. Read the story.
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