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View Poll Results: Do you think the teacher went too far by saying God is a myth?
Yes, she took it too far .... 82 68.33%
No, she acted reasonable in front of the class... 38 31.67%
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Old 11-03-2015, 12:57 PM
 
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Here's my question ... are we taking the little girl's word that the teacher said "God is a myth"? Or did the teacher actually say "God is not a fact" or "God is a common assertion," which would be in accordance with the lesson.

I don't see anything wrong with teaching in school that matters of religion are not fact. And frankly, I don't know of many denominations that actually teach that God is fact. They mostly teach that they have faith in God, and that faith is defined as belief in things that cannot be seen or proven. So I have a feeling that the lesson wasn't actually counter to the teachings of her religion, just her incorrect understanding.
Epistemology was not your subject, was it?
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Old 11-03-2015, 12:58 PM
 
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Thank you, for exonerating the teacher with this statement! This is exactly what she taught, in telling the kids Common Assertion was the correct answer:

Commonplace Assertion: A statement that many people assume to be
true, but it can’t be proven.

So what then are people so offended by?

The really ironic thing is I recognize some of these posters who claim to be against being "PC", but apparently only when it applies to non-white, non-Christian groups.
Yup. It seems that the students failed to get the point of the lesson, as did, apparently the parents, the school admin, and most of the people here.

"There is a God" is a commonplace assertion, just like "There is no God."
Neither statement can be proved, nor disproved.

Somehow, the teacher let the whole thing get away from her.
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Old 11-03-2015, 12:59 PM
 
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In order to be considered a fact, a statement must be able to be proven.
Not true. Facts exist which are not yet proven and even not yet provable. There is also the very arguable discussion of what constitutes "proof" in one case or another.
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Old 11-03-2015, 01:00 PM
 
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But I wasn't doing either! I never once said you or anyone should not believe in your "god". I just said to respect my rock!

I think its you who took exception to that.
Oh please. You are still being facetious.

I will respect your rock if you really think it represents a god or religion. But YOU don't. You're just playing around.

Calling a religion a "fairytale" is certainly being condescending and unnecessarily rude. Again, if you don't see it...
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Old 11-03-2015, 01:04 PM
 
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This had nothing to do with religion. It was about determining the differences between verifiable fact, opinion, and commonplace assertion. To me, the statement that there is a God is the very epitome of a commonplace assertion. A teacher who had been around longer than a year would probably know to use Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy as an example instead, but this was a first-year teacher probably fresh out of college. She over-estimated her students' critical thinking abilities.
No, she overestimated her own understanding of what constitutes "evidence," "proof," and "fact."
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Old 11-03-2015, 01:04 PM
 
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Oh please. You are still being facetious.

I will respect your rock if you really think it represents a god or religion. But YOU don't. You're just playing around.

Calling a religion a "fairytale" is certainly being condescending and unnecessarily rude. Again, if you don't see it...
Shhh...my rock is speaking to me. Religion is a fairy tale to ME..it is not to those who believe. Does that make sense?
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Old 11-03-2015, 01:05 PM
 
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Shhh...my rock is speaking to me. Religion is a fairy tale to ME..it is not to those who believe. Does that make sense?
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Old 11-03-2015, 01:08 PM
 
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this is why religion is a BAD topic
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Old 11-03-2015, 01:08 PM
 
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This made me laugh out loud:

"In New York, California, Vermont, the liberal states, I could totally see this as happening," Jordan's mom said. "But in Houston, Texas, where it's red, white, and blue, and stars all over, and God bless the USA, and 'Don't Mess With Texas', you know, Texas is messing with my kid."
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Old 11-03-2015, 01:20 PM
 
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This made me laugh out loud:

"In New York, California, Vermont, the liberal states, I could totally see this as happening," Jordan's mom said. "But in Houston, Texas, where it's red, white, and blue, and stars all over, and God bless the USA, and 'Don't Mess With Texas', you know, Texas is messing with my kid."
? I think it would be the other way around ...right?
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