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Yes, lets keep them sheltered and ignorant. I've got a kid in 7th grade I don't see a problem with discussing politics (political science) and other taboo subjects like sex ed, or current events or even religion in historical context. I discuss these topics with him.
That's how you interpreted my statement? Interesting. What I was alluding to is that it shouldn't be discussed in school because lot of kids aren't emotionally or mentally stable at that age, especially during puberty. If your kid can handle it and you wish to discuss those topics with him at home, I think that's great. Certain conversations should remain at the house though. Situations like these are what happens when it doesn't. You can't sneeze in modern day America without offending someone, and the amount of people winning frivolous lawsuits is at an all-time high. Why throw fuel on the flame?
That's how you interpreted my statement? Interesting. What I was alluding to is that it shouldn't be discussed in school because lot of kids aren't emotionally or mentally stable at that age, especially during puberty. If your kid can handle it and you wish to discuss those topics with him at home, I think that's great. Certain conversations should remain at the house though. Situations like these are what happens when it doesn't. You can't sneeze in modern day America without offending someone, and the amount of people winning frivolous lawsuits is at an all-time high. Why throw fuel on the flame?
There was no conversation or discussion, it was a written assignment, multiple choice whether fact, opinion or common assertion. She never in any way implied God may not exist.
I was asking how would this thread be going if the teacher said....."God is Real?" I already know how the left would react.
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There was no conversation or discussion, it was a written assignment, multiple choice whether fact, opinion or common assertion. She never in any way implied God may not exist.
Why is this part of the article? You people need to go back and read the article to get the real facts.
Jordan says she and other students argued with the teacher about Godbeing real. That's when she says the teacher told them it became an argument in all of her classes Monday.
So every Monday the teacher does this, I think they need to look into why.
Yes, lets keep them sheltered and ignorant. I've got a kid in 7th grade I don't see a problem with discussing politics (political science) and other taboo subjects like sex ed, or current events or even religion in historical context. I discuss these topics with him.
That may be the case but it couldn't wait till the next day? Teachers in my area provide their phone # and email and encourage parents and student to contact them after hours if need be.
If you read my other comments on this subject, you would see I agree with you. This mom called the media and went to the school board meeting before talking to the teacher. At least that's my take on it. But judging from the comments here after knowing what the lesson was, I don't think meeting with the teacher would have made her happy anyway. Apparently, people feel 7th graders are too young for any critical thinking lessons if they mention God.
Santa Claus would not have been appropriate because it is neither fact, opinion or common assertion that Santa exists. It has to be something that people actually believe exists, get it?
This was a lesson in semantics, not God, seems many folks here could use that lesson.
What you don't get is that to those who believe either the existence and non-existence of God as facts--and there are many such people--it is not a "common assertion."
What you don't get is that to those who believe either the existence and non-existence of God as facts--and there are many such people--it is not a "common assertion."
Common assertion means many or most people believe it is true despite concrete evidence. That is the very definition of Faith. Therefore the statement "God exists" IS a common assertion, and you said it yourself. Using the word "believe" only solidifies my point.
Common assertion means many or most people believe it is true despite concrete evidence.
You made that up. The definition of "common assertion" does not include a necessary factor of "despite concrete evidence."
And again, you're overlooking the very basics of epistemology. Who says there is no "concrete evidence?" What entails "concrete evidence" is an entire philosophical argument that the experts of epistemology have no black or white conclusion for.
There was no conversation or discussion, it was a written assignment, multiple choice whether fact, opinion or common assertion. She never in any way implied God may not exist.
Repeating a falsehood eventually becomes a fib, and imo you've reached that point by claiming 'there was no conversation or discussion.'
Even the school district Superintendent said, "I believe the response from the teacher was, 'Prove your point. Well, I think this. Well, you think that.' "
The class discussed why Common Assertion --- a debatable statement, one that many assume to be true but may not be true -- is the correct answer.
You made that up. The definition of "common assertion" does not include a necessary factor of "despite concrete evidence."
And again, you're overlooking the very basics of epistemology. Who says there is no "concrete evidence?" What entails "concrete evidence" is an entire philosophical argument that the experts of epistemology have no black or white conclusion for.
I didn't make anything up. See definitions below. The difference between fact and common assertion is a fact has objective data that can be seen, measured, etc, a common assertion holds that most people believe it but there is no observable data that can be used to prove it. Therefore semantically, which is what the lesson was about, God's existence is commonly believed to be true but cannot be observed, therefore it's a common assertion.
"A commonplace assertion is an assertion that is held to be true by most people but not backed up with facts."
Examples:
Milk is good for you.
America is the most free country on Earth.
What is the meaning of commonplace assertion?
Distinguishing between a factual claim and a commonplace assertion will help you determine whether the evidence is adequate. Factual claims are statements that can be proved by observation, an expert, or other reliable sources
That's how you interpreted my statement? Interesting. What I was alluding to is that it shouldn't be discussed in school because lot of kids aren't emotionally or mentally stable at that age, especially during puberty. If your kid can handle it and you wish to discuss those topics with him at home, I think that's great. Certain conversations should remain at the house though. Situations like these are what happens when it doesn't. You can't sneeze in modern day America without offending someone, and the amount of people winning frivolous lawsuits is at an all-time high. Why throw fuel on the flame?
Yes, you said grade schools shouldn't discuss religion, politics or taboo subjects. How is that supposed to be interpreted? Twelve and thirteen year olds are emotionally and mentally stable enough to talk about politics and controversial subjects. If they aren't then they should be in special ed. For Pete's sake some of them are having sex. Have you had any interactions with kids this age? They are not oblivious to the world around them.
Perhaps its time we throw fuel on the flame, fight fire with fire.
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