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View Poll Results: Do you think the teacher went too far by saying God is a myth?
Yes, she took it too far .... 82 68.33%
No, she acted reasonable in front of the class... 38 31.67%
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Old 11-04-2015, 02:17 PM
 
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And everyone knows religion exists. And it is a fact many people believe in God. The teacher did not open up the floor to discuss the existence of God. The question was concerning the STATEMENT. If the statement was "sex is real" I imagine there would have been much to discuss.
Lol, some humor in an otherwise serious thread!
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Old 11-04-2015, 02:23 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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So how do you know that wouldn't have been common assertion, too?

For those who refuse to read the follow up, here are some excerpts from the BOA:

Was the activity graded?
No, the activity was not graded, nor was it ever intended to be graded. The teacher's lesson plan also indicated that this was independent work. The last grade recorded by the teacher, as entered in her gradebook, was on October 23, 2015. Statements from multiple, randomly selected students support the teacher's statement that she never indicated that this activity would be graded, nor did the teacher indicate that it would be a test.

Were students asked to take a poll to indicate whether God was fact, opinion or a myth, and did the teacher tell anyone who said God was a fact or an opinion that they were wrong?
The teacher asked students to raise their hands indicating how they identified the statement. According to the teacher and students interviewed, she emphasized to the students that there are different cultures, religions and views. She explained that a commonplace assertion exists when there is room for debate. The activity was not counted for a grade.

A student has said that she and other students argued with the teacher about God being real.Is this true?
According to student statements, it did not result in any arguments in the classroom. The teacher welcomed all students' views.

Did the teacher tell her 7th SIZE grade students that God is a myth?
No. According to the teacher and other students interviewed, the teacher did not use the word myth. She simply asked the students to participate in a class activity in which they were to identify whether statements were a fact, opinion or commonplace assertion.

Who prompted the media reported "debate" in class?
The statements of students interviewed support that the teacher asked if that statement was a fact, opinion or commonplace assertion. The teacher then asked the students to raise their hands to indicate their response. According to the teacher and students, the teacher also explained that there are different cultures, religions and views. She explained that a commonplace assertion exists when there is room for debate. In the teacher's eighth period, students did engage in an academic debate on the topic

Did any students cry as a result of this activity?
According to the teacher's and students' statements, no student cried while in the classroom as a result of this activity.

Much ado about nothing, JMO.
Oops, you forgot to add this part of the school district's response:
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Yesterday, October 26, at the end of the school day, two West Memorial Junior High parents contacted the school's principal to share their concern over a classroom activity that they felt questioned students' religious beliefs. The school principal immediately responded to the parents by informing them that she would investigate and meet with the teacher the following morning. At the conclusion of the investigation today, the principal determined that the classroom activity included an item that was unnecessary for achieving the instructional standard. The activity, which was intended to encourage critical thinking skills and dialogue by engaging students in an exercise wherein they identified statements as fact, opinion, or common assertion was not intended to question or challenge any student's religious beliefs as reported by some media outlets.

The teacher is distraught by this incident, as some commentary has gone as far as to vilify her without knowing her, her Christian faith, or the context of the classroom activity. Still, this does not excuse the fact that this ungraded activity was ill-conceived and because of that, its intent had been misconstrued. As a result, the activity will no longer be used by the school, and the teacher has been advised and appropriate personnel action will be taken. The school regrets any misconceptions that may have resulted from this teacher-developed classroom activity and assures its school community that the religious beliefs of all students and staff are welcomed and valued at West Memorial Junior High.
The problem remains, it was a poorly thought out lesson and using that example has no place in a public 7th grade English class.
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Old 11-04-2015, 02:23 PM
 
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Lol, some humor in an otherwise serious thread!
LOL. It wont be so funny when I have to discuss this with my gson. We have already turned down that hallway. Talking about religions, Gods and faith, way easier.
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Old 11-04-2015, 03:26 PM
 
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And everyone knows religion exists. And it is a fact many people believe in God. The teacher did not open up the floor to discuss the existence of God. The question was concerning the STATEMENT. If the statement was "sex is real" I imagine there would have been much to discuss.
Haha! It's a good thing that wasn't the question. Someone might have tried to prove it!
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Old 11-04-2015, 03:46 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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The late comedian George Carlin's take on this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r-e2NDSTuE
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Old 11-04-2015, 03:55 PM
 
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Anyone who sends their kids to a government school is out of their mind.

Religious or not.
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Old 11-04-2015, 04:09 PM
 
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Anyone who sends their kids to a government school is out of their mind.

Religious or not.
If we were doing it again, we would not.
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Old 11-04-2015, 04:09 PM
 
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So how do you know that wouldn't have been common assertion, too?

For those who refuse to read the follow up, here are some excerpts from the BOA:


1. Were students asked to take a poll to indicate whether God was fact, opinion or a myth, and did the teacher tell anyone who said God was a fact or an opinion that they were wrong?
The teacher asked students to raise their hands indicating how they identified the statement. According to the teacher and students interviewed, she emphasized to the students that there are different cultures, religions and views. She explained that a commonplace assertion exists when there is room for debate. The activity was not counted for a grade.

2. A student has said that she and other students argued with the teacher about God being real.Is this true?
According to student statements, it did not result in any arguments in the classroom. The teacher welcomed all students' views.


3. Who prompted the media reported "debate" in class?
The statements of students interviewed support that the teacher asked if that statement was a fact, opinion or commonplace assertion. The teacher then asked the students to raise their hands to indicate their response. According to the teacher and students, the teacher also explained that there are different cultures, religions and views. She explained that a commonplace assertion exists when there is room for debate. In the teacher's eighth period, students did engage in an academic debate on the topic


Much ado about nothing, JMO.
Re-read the non-answers to questions 1 & 3.

Whether the teacher argued or welcomed all students' views is an Opinion. More importantly, the answer to question 2 is more proof there was conversation or discussion, contrary to your False Repetitive Assertion [FRA] that there wasn't.
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Old 11-04-2015, 05:30 PM
 
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We all came from soup, which was eaten by monkeys causing them to evolve into humans. Of course none of this happened before an unexplained explosion created (how ironic) the soup and previously mentioned monkeys.
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Old 11-04-2015, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Katy,Texas
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As someone who lives here an doges to school here their are plenty of "hardcore" Christians/ Muslims/ Buddhists/ Hindu's etc. in this area of Katy, as anyone who has lived here knows going around putting on paper god is a myth and having a discussion about how god is a myth will usually get you fired here. Unless it is the debate team, you might as well quit your job after putting that on the paper in Katy ISD.
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