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But those incidences are not exclusive to Mizzou, they can unfortunately happen anywhere. What could Wolfe have done? If there were problems happening in the classrooms, that would be easier to deal with. But random people making racist remarks on the street?
I've already acknowledged this. Being dismissive, unresponsive and showing no concern is where Wolfe went wrong and failed at his job.
If I had a dollar for every time I was told to "go back to Africa", I'd probably be able to buy everyone who posted in this thread lunch at Chick-fil-A. This isn't a comparison of who gets worse racism, that again, is ignoring the actual problem at hand.
What is the problem at hand then? You claim it is students who are "unsafe" and "victimized" by racism on campus. My assertion is that you cannot be made unsafe and a victim by the racism. That places the power directly in the hands of the racist to do that. You are responsible for your own safety and your own protection from victimization. That takes the power away from the racists. Appealing to authority to protect you is a powerless proposition that you cannot win in the long run.
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Look, if you want to stand on the sidelines and just accept it, that's fine. That's your right. But don't vilify people who want to peacefully stand up for something they believe in.
Those who appeal to authority to protect them are the ones standing on the sidelines. They are the ones who are failing the rest of us and I will vilify them for that reason.
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You still haven't explained how Butler and this protest group have attacked other students on campus. There hasn't been a single act of violence in this entire thing. That's the best part about all of this.
The goal of the protests was to shut down the campus and stop classes from occurring.
That is directly an attack on the education of other students.
Every single complaint being made all comes down to the deep and pervasive spending cuts made in education the State of Missouri in the last 4 years. These protests completely fail to acknowledge that as the source of all of these problems, and instead provide cover to that idea by pitting African-American faculty and students against Asian and Hispanic faculty and students, the groups who will absorb the cuts necessary to increase African-American faculty and enrollment (not already under-represented whites). Education at Mizzou will suffer and suffer deeply as a result of these protests while the most critical issue and the real "problem", a state that ignores education funding for cheaper taxes, will go pass by in exchange for passing assent of those in authority by sacrificing Wolfe.
If I had a dollar for every time I was told to "go back to Africa", I'd probably be able to buy everyone who posted in this thread lunch at Chick-fil-A. This isn't a comparison of who gets worse racism, that again, is ignoring the actual problem at hand.
But how is forcing someone to resign fixing the problem? Timothy Wolfe resigning is not going to stop the racism in Columbia. Its not going to make those saying hateful things decide to turn their lives around.
And I'm not saying the problem should be ignored, I just don't see how the students' demands are going to change anything. I doubt the faculty is the major problem. The racism and sexism is coming from fellow students.
The students and faculty at Mizzou have just guaranteed that a diploma from that school will be less than worthless. Show me a business that will happily employ a student who screams racism and walks out the first time something doesn't go his way.
I've already acknowledged this. Being dismissive, unresponsive and showing no concern is where Wolfe went wrong and failed at his job.
There was nothing a University President could have (or should have) done. The allegation (unproven) is that a redneck in a pickup uttered a slur at the (black) student govt. president.
Honestly, who gives a crap? There are bigots out there. There are liars out there. Maybe some redneck bigot did say something bad. Maybe the student president is a liar. In any case, it isn't a big deal, and speaks to this American obsession with race. Stop it already!
Interestingly, the game they are about to boycott is against Brigham Young, historically the most racist university in the USA, which might not have any black players on the team at all. (But I think they have a token black player on their basketball team.)
If I had a dollar for every time I was told to "go back to Africa", I'd probably be able to buy everyone who posted in this thread lunch at Chick-fil-A..........
Actually, if you had 10 million dollars for every time that was said to you, you would still be broke.
Never happened.
Interestingly, them game they are about to boycott is against Brigham Young, historically the most racist university in the USA, which might not have any black players on the team at all.
BYU has an amazing level of outreach to American Indian, Asian, Hispanic, and Pacific Islander students. It actually has one of the most diverse football teams in Div I-A, with particular high proportions of each of those ethnicities.
1978 was a long time ago. Today, the impact of LDS missionary work was turned BYU and BYU-Hawaii into much more diverse campuses (especially BYU-Hawaii, one of the most diverse campuses in the country).
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I am Hispanic. I face bigotry and prejudice every day, day in, day out. When is the last time someone implied you should lose your citizenship because of your last name?
This has never made me feel unsafe. Ever. Nor victimized. If you think this makes you unsafe and a victim, then you have never truly been unsafe. You solve "the problem" by the collective force of individual actions, not by demanding that those who are the problem fix it.
In my observation, a lot of so-called Hispanics seem to be white-washed and kiss white butt; therefore, they will probably claim that white racism isn't much of a problem. Perhaps it is a survival strategy, who knows.
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In response to this thread in general: I find it interesting that many non-blacks like to criticize the so-called Negro for riots, but when some students do something like this in a non-riot way, people still get an attitude? Perhaps the issue is, they really want blacks to just "know their place" and ignore white racism. Well, you may not want to hold your breaths on that!
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