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Horrible sense of humor. When it comes to making a profit, nothing is sacred or taboo?
And before the liberals come in an attack me for not approving of that @#$% commercial, know that I lost my younger brother when those towers came down.
The commercial sucks, as does the attitude behind the making of it.
I am a liberal almost socialist and I think it is hideous and am beyond sorry for you your family and your brother. Just NO words would even begin to help .
I have no other words for this commercial . It is totally embarrassing .
I am embarrassed I was born there (Texas) . Being me I obviously had to leave long ago but I will say to those of you still reading that when I saw the title of this I just KNEW it was going to be Mattress Mac !!!!!!!!!!!!! Huckster of a lifetime . I was unaware of any other furniture store anywhere that had less class than he .
I have always said that people who didn't live in or near the impacted areas or people who didn't lose a family member just don't get it like those of us who DO live in an affected area or have family or friends or people we know from our towns who died. It just wasn't the same type of horror for people outside the NYC area, the New York attack at least. In Middletown NJ 37 people died. The single most loss of life on 9/11 for a town or municipality outside the 5 boroughs. Dozens of cars remained in the train station parking lot in Middletown for days because victims obviously could not come pick them up. Cars still there at 3 am on September 12, never to be picked up by those who left them there the morning of the 11th. It was similar in my town, which lost 6. This is just the type of stuff that's unfathomable to the average Texas (or nearly every other US state) resident unless that person lost a family member in one of the far away cities or on one of the planes.
Sorry but it just wasn't the same for some of you. I think that's what Seain Dublin is trying to say. Not that he wants something to happen in TX but that maybe people would get it more if something so horrible happened right at home in Texas.
I might say the same for where was the country for Lockerbie, for Beirut, for Rome? Why does the country think it all started at the WTC?
It may have been overseas but it was still our people dying.
That is what really angers me each time the anniversary rolls around. Not that we were hit but that the country feels as if that was the start, that there is very little acknowledgement at least of the events of before, the deaths, the missions.
So just as a New Yorker might say that those who weren't there just don't get it as those who were, so I say as someone from involvement of before.
I have always said that people who didn't live in or near the impacted areas or people who didn't lose a family member just don't get it like those of us who DO live in an affected area or have family or friends or people we know from our towns who died. It just wasn't the same type of horror for people outside the NYC area, the New York attack at least. In Middletown NJ 37 people died. The single most loss of life on 9/11 for a town or municipality outside the 5 boroughs. Dozens of cars remained in the train station parking lot in Middletown for days because victims obviously could not come pick them up. Cars still there at 3 am on September 12, never to be picked up by those who left them there the morning of the 11th. It was similar in my town, which lost 6. This is just the type of stuff that's unfathomable to the average Texas (or nearly every other US state) resident unless that person lost a family member in one of the far away cities or on one of the planes.
Sorry but it just wasn't the same for some of you. I think that's what Seain Dublin is trying to say. Not that he wants something to happen in TX but that maybe people would get it more if something so horrible happened right at home in Texas.
I might say the same for where was the country for Lockerbie, for Beirut, for Rome? Why does the country think it all started at the WTC?
It may have been overseas but it was still our people dying.
That is what really angers me each time the anniversary rolls around. Not that we were hit but that the country feels as if that was the start, that there is very little acknowledgement at least of the events of before, the deaths, the missions.
So just as a New Yorker might say that those who weren't there just don't get it as those who were, so I say as someone from involvement of before.
You saying the same about other attacks elsewhere doesn't change my point. Fact is you all the way in TX that day, unless you lost a family member who lived in one of the affected areas or was on the plane, you did not have the same type of experience. You just didn't. Other attacks in the past and future don't change that you will never understand 9/11 like certain others did. There is no way you possibly could.
Did your town or county or state lose a significant number of people? 6, 60, and 700 respectively for me. Did the smoke from the towers blow over into your state and town afterwards? Did for me. Did you lose multiple acquintances, friends, or family members? I did. Did people you know escape the towers and come home covered in dust and traumatized? People I know did. It's this type of stuff, firsthand stuff that only certain people can understand. 9/11 and other attacks hurt us all, because they're awful and any time many innocents die so horrifically at the hands of extremists we all feel the human pain, but there are different levels of impact and hurt. If something were to happen in Texas, I would never know what it's like because I'm not in Texas. I can feel the pain but not on the same level as those nearby in Texas who were more directly impacted.
No one said they think it all started at the WTC. But that attack in NYC was by far the most horrific terror attack on the Western world in living memory. From number of deaths to the destruction to the horrible images of it all - crashing planes, fireballs, falling people, collapsing towers. Horrific and unprecedented. And it certainly never should be made into a joke for a lame mattress commercial.
And all that said, even though I live less than 20 miles from the WTC I will still never get it like someone who was there that day. Some who escaped or witnessed things from close range. Like I said, different levels of impact and understanding. Some today may be desensitized for many reasons - did not live close to attacks, were very young when it happened, or maybe weren't even born yet.
Now, I am not going to argue which is more important for too many people are hurting and are defensive about the WTC.
I am just saying that some of us have our reasons for feeling different.
I don't understand your argument in the first part of that post at all. Even if that were true, I don't see how it relates to what we're talking about here. 9/11 happened, it was bad, and 15 years later people halfway across the country from all attack sites are making sick jokes. That's what this is about.
So you feel the same looking at one plane that blew up (an incident that wasn't even captured on film for the world to watch over and over again) that you or others would for 2 towers hit by 2 planes all full of people, and then both towers proceeded to collapse, all on live TV and while being watched in person by countless people from vantage points in 2 states? The only way I would think that's reasonable is if you lost someone in the Lockerbie incident. Otherwise, it's a quite poor argument IMHO. Both are horrifying especially when putting yourself in victim's or family members' shoes but the simple visual impacts on 9/11 and the exposure the event had AND the number of victims make it so much more horrific and worse, in an objective sense.
It's easy to focus so much on New York but we can't forget there were 2 other attacks on the same day as well. Three separate attacks on one day in one country, all part of the same plot that killed a total of nearly 3000 from dozens of countries and destroyed 7 buildings completely, at least 1 partially (Pentagon not to mention nearby buildings to the attacks in NYC), and a plane that crashed in PA that the passengers took from its intended DC target. An attack at this level was unprecedented. This is objective information, not an emotionally driven opinion. Looking at the facts, this was a first in living memory for the West and it is easily the worst.
I think part of the issue is some don't understand the extent of the impact the events of 9/11 actually had. Few know that all 7 WTC buildings actually collapsed that day. Few know that over 1000 victims have never been identified and that the site is a burial ground not just a memorial and museum.
I have always said that people who didn't live in or near the impacted areas or people who didn't lose a family member just don't get it like those of us who DO live in an affected area or have family or friends or people we know from our towns who died. It just wasn't the same type of horror for people outside the NYC area, the New York attack at least. In Middletown NJ 37 people died. The single most loss of life on 9/11 for a town or municipality outside the 5 boroughs. Dozens of cars remained in the train station parking lot in Middletown for days because victims obviously could not come pick them up. Cars still there at 3 am on September 12, never to be picked up by those who left them there the morning of the 11th. It was similar in my town, which lost 6. This is just the type of stuff that's unfathomable to the average Texas (or nearly every other US state) resident unless that person lost a family member in one of the far away cities or on one of the planes.
Sorry but it just wasn't the same for some of you. I think that's what Seain Dublin is trying to say. Not that he wants something to happen in TX but that maybe people would get it more if something so horrible happened right at home in Texas.
I disagree. Of course people who lost a loved one experiences it in a different way, or a person who breathed in the dust or smoke does. But I was half way across the country and it was horrifying, devastating and life changing. It was a HUGE terrorist attack on American soil. Its like saying Pearl Harbor didn't effect anyone who didn't lose anyone or wasnt in Hawaii.
It changed the course of our country and started a terrifying war and string of US terriroist attacks.
Its so narrow minded to say if you didn't live near the twin towers, you just don't get it. :roll eyes:
P.S. It reminds me when I was in 8th grade a girl killed herself. And there was all this in-fighting to declare who was most hurt by it depending on who was closest to her. Its a very infantile way to look at grief.
...... An attack at this level was unprecedented. This is objective information, not an emotionally driven opinion. Looking at the facts, this was a first in living memory for the West and it is easily the worst.......
Actually, it wasn't unprecedented because the ground work for such had been done before in reality and fiction. Someone just put all the pieces together.......................
........................but as said, I am not going to argue it. I note and acknowledge your side.
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