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Old 11-14-2016, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Lakewood OH
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I think it's a southern thing. I'm a woman and I will hold the door for anyone that is right behind me. It's good manners. Last week I was walking into my son's school and there was a woman about 6 steps behind me. I paused and held the door twice..as there are two sets. Of course she was capable of opening the door for herself but the alternative would have been to let it slam in her face. I would consider that rude.
Same here and I was born and raised in the Midwest.

Just this morning I held the door open at a convenience store for a man who was pushing a cart in front of him. Man or woman, if you are the first in or if it appears someone could use the help, the right thing do is to hold the door open.

Regarding the shooter, he was just a weapon looking for an excuse to kill.
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Old 11-14-2016, 11:45 AM
 
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That is what I said. If you open it for both men and women, you are nice. If you hold it open for neither men nor women, you are somewhat rude. If you hold it open for only women, you are a sexist.
Perhaps...I still don't find it offensive when a man goes out of his way to open the door for me. Its standard in the south and I don't think all men who do it are sexist...its just a cultural standard. maybe sexist...I don't know. I don't mind it.
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Old 11-14-2016, 11:53 AM
 
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I hold doors for people but I've had several occasions in which men refuse to walk through a door I'm holding. I guess it's an ego thing for some. Sad that someone would lose his life over something so petty.

What I really hate is when someone holds the door open in a manner that requires me to walk under their arm. So awkward. It's usually someone I know with whom I was walking and we ended up at the door with me on the outside. I'd rather just hold it myself.
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Old 11-14-2016, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Mid-Atlantic
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I also wouldn't shoot someone for dropping a door in my face. But if I held the door open and you just leisurely strolled on through without a thank you...I'm sorry, I'd have to shoot you.
Fair enough, but I always say thank you.
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Old 11-14-2016, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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Hmmm. What would Miss Manners say?
Obviously, the ill-mannered lout deserved to die.

isn't she the one that says rudeness should not be met with more rudeness?
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Old 11-14-2016, 12:47 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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How weird that it's so easy to break handcuffs.....??
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Old 11-14-2016, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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Those who only hold doors open for women, do you really take the time to stand there assessing their gender? If so isn't that an uncomfortable moment while you stand there blocking the door trying to determine whether they are a man or a woman? What do you do if you realize the person is transgender? Tomboy type who dresses and coifs like a guy? Metrosexual dude looks like a gal initially? Also one you decide its a guy, do you push ahead of them and slam the door in their face?

I just do not see how it can work to hold the door open for only one gender, especially in the winter since everyone looks pretty much the same in a coat.

OTOH I will admit that I often only wait for women to go first when getting on an elevator. With younger women who do not expect you to wait for them, it can be funny, they just stand there wondering why you are not getting on the elevator. Then the door closes and everyone is just standing there like "WTF???" Maybe they do not you are waiting for them to go ahead but they are just rejecting chivalry as old fashioned and sexist. That could mean a long wait in the lobby since i ma not likely to push ahead on an elevator. Actually the last time everyone just stood waiting for the women to get on and the door closed, I just went and took the stairs. That is the best solution. Hide from the problem and get exercise all at once. Now, I take the stairs 80% of the time.
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Old 11-14-2016, 01:14 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Those who only hold doors open for women, do you really take the time to stand there assessing their gender? If so isn't that an uncomfortable moment while you stand there blocking the door trying to determine whether they are a man or a woman? What do you do if you realize the person is transgender? Tomboy type who dresses and coifs like a guy? Metrosexual dude looks like a gal initially? Also one you decide its a guy, do you push ahead of them and slam the door in their face?

I just do not see how it can work to hold the door open for only one gender, especially in the winter since everyone looks pretty much the same in a coat.

OTOH I will admit that I often only wait for women to go first when getting on an elevator. With younger women who do not expect you to wait for them, it can be funny, they just stand there wondering why you are not getting on the elevator. Then the door closes and everyone is just standing there like "WTF???" Maybe they do not you are waiting for them to go ahead but they are just rejecting chivalry as old fashioned and sexist. That could mean a long wait in the lobby since i ma not likely to push ahead on an elevator. Actually the last time everyone just stood waiting for the women to get on and the door closed, I just went and took the stairs. That is the best solution. Hide from the problem and get exercise all at once. Now, I take the stairs 80% of the time.
lol Nice riff. But there was a time when men would actually get angry if a woman held the door for them. There was a phase when younger guys were hysterical about the woman's movement, and they'd read something political into the simple act of holding a door for a stranger, even if it was someone carrying packages. I find it interesting that now men are insisting that door-holders should hold the door for everyone, irrespective of gender. Of course, I do that, but it just shows that times have changed.
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Old 11-14-2016, 02:18 PM
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People seem to have no idea how rude it is to shoot someone. It's worse than slapping their face. It's worse than jabbing them with a pencil. It's worse than kicking them. It's worse than spitting in their face. It's worse than saying something rude about their mother. There is hardly anything ruder than shooting someone. Failure to hold a door open is a very minor rudeness compared to that.

My grandmother taught me to hold doors open for women when I had a single-digit age. We would go to a store together, with a non-automatic door, I would open the door and go inside, and she would stand at the door waiting for me to hold it open for her. It would take me a few seconds or a minute to notice she wasn't with me in the store, and go back out to hold the door open for her.

But she never taught me not to shoot people. Back then, shooting people was considered so rude, that kids were considered to be born with the knowledge of how rude it was, and automatically didn't do it, without being taught.
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Old 11-14-2016, 02:24 PM
 
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The gal should be charged as an accessory to murder if she in any way indicated that the guy should shoot the other man.

Keepin' it real, looking to settle things with a gun at any moment.....nice people.
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