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Old 06-04-2019, 10:44 AM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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Pictures suggest a high altitude oxygen starved Disneyland. Standing in line. You probably won’t die waiting for a ride with Mickey Mouse.
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Old 06-04-2019, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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I wonder if the same traffic jams occur on the Tibetan side of Everest. Seems like the real climbers would appreciate that approach better.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/a...-versus-nepal/
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Old 06-04-2019, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Interesting article. Thanks for posting it.
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Old 06-04-2019, 12:31 PM
 
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Interesting article. Thanks for posting it.
I read the article. Interesting as previously even traveling into Tibet as a foreigner was extremely difficult without lots of red tape. You basically were restricted to traveling in an organized tour groups and be chaperoned by government handlers. I tried during my first trip to Nepal 19 years ago. Back then Tibet was the equivalent of East Germany in the old cold war. No one entered, no one left.
Chinese are apparently looking at the revenue stream potential.
In that trip I walked portions of the base camp trail. Indeed no roads on the Nepal side. I flew in into one of the few air fields, basically yaak pasture. I almost had to walk out (travel on foot dozens of miles and multiple days to a useable road) because my return flight kept on getting canceled due to weather. Up there I remember a few walking down from base camp talking about climbers being medivaced out due to altitude sickness.
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Old 06-05-2019, 11:41 AM
 
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When I was younger, I was rather athletic. I might enjoy the thought of climbing to the top of Everest and looking around, but even now (and then) I can see the dangers. WHY would a person think they could, or want to, climb to the top of Mt. Everest? Aren't there other nice things to do? I mean some people enjoy the idea of crossing the Atlantic by themselves in a boat, I suppose. WHY would anyone want to do this????
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Old 06-06-2019, 06:16 AM
 
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When I was younger, I was rather athletic. I might enjoy the thought of climbing to the top of Everest and looking around, but even now (and then) I can see the dangers. WHY would a person think they could, or want to, climb to the top of Mt. Everest? Aren't there other nice things to do? I mean some people enjoy the idea of crossing the Atlantic by themselves in a boat, I suppose. WHY would anyone want to do this????
A famous answer is “because it’s there”. I would think they’re all pretty much mountain climbing hobbyist however. I think as with any sport you keep trying to challenge yourself.
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Old 06-06-2019, 07:05 AM
 
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The Nepalese are finished with this year's cleanup effort on Everest. They hauled out a little over 12 tons of waste and garbage and four bodies during the two month campaign.
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Old 06-06-2019, 09:45 AM
 
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The Nepalese are finished with this year's cleanup effort on Everest. They hauled out a little over 12 tons of waste and garbage and four bodies during the two month campaign.
As I understand it, the outfitter/guide companies are supposed to clean up after themselves. Obviously this is not happening.

I think the best solution is the government implement a $2000(?) 'environmental impact fee' per permit that goes towards cleanup. Not only would the climbers appreciate it, but I doubt any would balk at the cost. It would provide additional jobs for Sherpas.

Win win all around.
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Old 06-06-2019, 09:53 AM
 
Location: State of Transition
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A famous answer is “because it’s there”. I would think they’re all pretty much mountain climbing hobbyist however. I think as with any sport you keep trying to challenge yourself.
The problem is, they're not all mountain climbing hobbyists. That's what's causing the congestion. There are people hiring a crew to get them up the mountain, simply as a personal challenge and bucket list item, since nowadays one doesn't have to be a skilled mountaineer, because of the option of hiring a support team. That's one reason people are dying up there.
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Old 06-06-2019, 10:05 AM
 
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The problem is, they're not all mountain climbing hobbyists. That's what's causing the congestion. There are people hiring a crew to get them up the mountain, simply as a personal challenge and bucket list item, since nowadays one doesn't have to be a skilled mountaineer, because of the option of hiring a support team. That's one reason people are dying up there.
They are not all skilled enough to climb that mountain but I doubt it’s the first mountain they’ve tried.
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