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Old 07-26-2019, 06:41 PM
 
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^ He was standing at the window whether he had been there for any longer than the time it took him to get there and put her up to the railing. If he was able to place the kid on the railing, then he was standing in front of it. I don’t think the poster meant standing there for any particular amount of time, just that he was right in front of it and was unaware it was open.

 
Old 07-26-2019, 07:19 PM
 
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Even if the railing was on flat ground, who in the world would place a child that age on a railing and not hold on to the child? Why would anyone even place a child on railing?
 
Old 07-31-2019, 06:20 PM
 
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Well, average person has no problem to see the open windows entering the room, especially when they have a greenish tint and are not perfectly clean as on the Royal Caribbean ships. Grandpa (GF) said he believed the window was closed but he never said he looked before placing the baby on the railing. Supposedly, he also tripped and lost grip of the baby. Was he drunk, medicated or has medical or vision problems affecting his ability to provide care for the baby?

As much as I feel sorry for the baby, her family does not deserve millions in penalties from Royal Caribbean for her death. If you standing in front of open window to place the baby on the railing, you should be able to notice that the window is open. Also, in Windjammer cafeteria or the pool/solarium area there are areas of windows from floor to the ceiling where you can place the baby on the floor level instead putting her on the rail.
Royal Caribbean does not blindfold the passengers and, on the contrary, encourages them to look for their and their children safety. On the other hand, how many accidents were reported where parent did not notice the open window resulting in the child falling to its death? Do not recall any!
 
Old 10-28-2019, 11:22 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Grandfather charged in death of toddler on cruise ship

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/28/us/to...ged/index.html

I think he will be found not-guilty unless he was drinking alcohol or something like that.
 
Old 10-29-2019, 03:29 AM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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Surveillance video exists, the cruise line has it, the family hasn't seen it. It will be a short trial. Now that it is a criminal case, there will be discovery.
 
Old 10-29-2019, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Redwood City, CA
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I wonder if the video will show that "Gramps" was holding the baby on the railing with one hand and checking his phone with the other.
 
Old 10-29-2019, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Brentwood, Tennessee
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Sounds reasonable to me, according to this definition: “Negligent homicide is a much lower intent crime and is used as a charge when one person causes the death of another through criminal negligence.

The charge does not involve premeditation, but focuses on what the defendant should have known and the risks associated with what he did know.“

So sad.
 
Old 10-29-2019, 06:26 AM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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I smell a plea bargain, which is how 97% of US criminal charges are disposed of. Whatever the prosecutor waves around is the absolute worst he can even dream of.
 
Old 10-29-2019, 06:43 AM
 
Location: Way up high
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These new charges are 100% spot on. He was at fault entirely. It's a horrible situation but it is what it is.

He was careless and the child died. There's NO WAY he couldn't differentiate an open and closed window. The family is looking for money instead of understanding a horrible mistake was made.

No one these days wants to take accountability for their actions. They want to blame others-not in this case finally
 
Old 10-29-2019, 08:01 AM
 
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What is the point of putting a grieving grandparent in jail? Especially when it will cause the entire family to suffer all over again. Is he a danger to society? No. Was it deliberate? No. I think this idea that someone must be punished for every accident is foolish and serves no purpose. Especially when the family doesn't want it and says it will only "pour salt on their wounds". PR prosecutors probably doing it for Royal Caribbean. RC has thus far still not allowed the family to see the video.
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