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These girls were trafficked. Transported between Florida, New York, London and Epstein's Island to service Epstein's wealthy and powerful associates. Epstein and Maxwell are guilty but so are the men who took part in this crime. There were multiple girls present at these events. How could they not know what was going on in these settings? I'm sure they did but believed they're power and wealth would shield them from the consequences of their actions.
I have to wonder if this is some kind of deliberate diversion of one kind or another. If all the world's attention is on this, all the interest,.....and not what has been going on for decades as reported by the State Department and UN Office on Drugs and Crime, how so many little, unknown people have fallen victim. How it is also the traffickers that one sees on the Interpol notices.
It is good that the world is taking some interest but after the rich have fallen, will they care about those described in this PSA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxcjiQ74mYc .... do they care now?
Hence, back to the topic. Tell me that a Royal Family prince is in a scandal and is stripped, to me, it is who is that? Tell me that he is a common international criminal that I will see on the Interpol notices and then there might be some point to it.
What does legal have to do with it? he wasn't arrested, he embarrassed the royal family (and again this was not the first time) and made them look bad, so they stripped his royal titles.
I think it is similar to young, inexperienced girls who are sucked into online relationships with older guys, and who might run away with their abusers. The girls Maxwell groomed for Epstein were poor, at loose ends and with few prospects. She showed an interest in them, flattering and exciting them with promises of help. She helped normalize sexual behavior around Epstein. Once they were enticed, and sucked in, they had trouble disengaging. They did suffer feelings of remorse and disgust—and anger.
Epstein had immense wealth, and had cultivated powerful friends. These young girls were simply bodies to his friends, to be used, discarded and forgotten the next day. They were trafficked and that is illegal in the US.
He stole years of their lives, and their innocence.
About Clinton: people assume he was involved with Epstein’s harem, but I’ve only read evidence that he accepted a plane ride from Epstein as he was organizing his Big Idea after his presidency. It is entirely possible that some of Epstein’s friends in high places knew him only as an ultra rich philanthropist. Possibly there is other information I haven’t run into.
It is interesting to me that people are quite willing to assume Clinton was involved with Epstein’s girls, but unwilling to believe the testimony of the girls’ themselves.
It's obvious that some people here haven't seen the specials that covered some of these women's experiences when they were younger.
If you had actually watched these programs, you would know that Virginia Roberts Giuffre was approached about having a baby for Jeffrey Epstein -- this was done by Ghislaine Maxwell. Virginia went back at them with "you promised me that I would get a massage therapy license" so they sent her to Thailand to get it (and that in itself is ridiculously suspect). That's when she met her now husband and made her getaway from that ridiculous situation she was in.
But she is just a harlot with a big letter H on her chest.
She was supposed to have Jeffrey Epstein's baby and just hand it over to him -- and what was he going to do with it?? Hmm??
Did you even stop to think that she's trying to help bring closure for so many of these women who are actually countless and many of them nameless, who will never ever come forward?? We'll never know how many there were.
Now I suppose some of you will come back and say "there weren't that many and it wasn't that bad." "It didn't even happen at all !!"
I'm very glad the judgemental people on this thread will probably never be on a jury involving trafficked young women. You know, because victims lie.
I also want to mention that Epstein was convicted of having sex with underage females, in Florida, but his influence and money bought him an unprecedented deal with the prosecution. But, he was convicted.
What does legal have to do with it? he wasn't arrested, he embarrassed the royal family (and again this was not the first time) and made them look bad, so they stripped his royal titles.
I thought he was involve in some kind of court case for illegal activity? People are expecting some sort of legal ramifications for him, no? I dont know anything about royal titles. It amazes me that people still play that game.
I guess I should have read more on this as I was under the belief that the deal with Epstein and those who he associated with were thought to be illegal and not just distasteful.
It's obvious that some people here haven't seen the specials that covered some of these women's experiences when they were younger.
If you had actually watched these programs, you would know that Virginia Roberts Giuffre was approached about having a baby for Jeffrey Epstein -- this was done by Ghislaine Maxwell. Virginia went back at them with "you promised me that I would get a massage therapy license" so they sent her to Thailand to get it (and that in itself is ridiculously suspect). That's when she met her now husband and made her getaway from that ridiculous situation she was in.
But she is just a harlot with a big letter H on her chest.
She was supposed to have Jeffrey Epstein's baby and just hand it over to him -- and what was he going to do with it?? Hmm??
Did you even stop to think that she's trying to help bring closure for so many of these women who are actually countless and many of them nameless, who will never ever come forward?? We'll never know how many there were.
Now I suppose some of you will come back and say "there weren't that many and it wasn't that bad." "It didn't even happen at all !!"
I'm very glad the judgemental people on this thread will probably never be on a jury involving trafficked young women. You know, because victims lie.
Thank you for saying this.
It's not about the technicalities of the age of consent, and whether a 17-year-old high-end sex worker is a seasoned pro, for crying out loud. Epstein's stable of girls ranged in age from 13 and up, and whether they were 'seasoned' or not is beside the point. The point is that these people, specifically these people, had an incomparable advantage over the adolescents they loaned out, both in terms of wealth, social influence, and more mature psychology (the older we are, the easier it is to game others, simply due to life experience. We are not supposed to use our life experience to game adolescents and children!). Victims of such tactics don't even understand how they are sucked into the exploitative dynamic, and very, very often feel exactly as some posters are suggesting: that they were complicit in the 'deal.' It can take a lifetime to understand that the 'deal' was a form of abuse which took advantage of the girl's lack of understanding. Shame and guilt -- and pointing out how she 'knew' what the deal entailed -- are all weapons in keeping her in her place.
Did Giuffre attend 17 White House dinners? Nope. When she got tiresome to her keepers, she was sent to Thailand for 'massage therapy' school. Meanwhile, Epstein even got out from under his 2008 case with a 13-month sentence with liberal 'work-release' hours, allowing him to pretty much continue in his lifestyle as before, except for where he slept for 8 hours. I don't believe there's another sex offender in this entire country who got the sweet deal Epstein got back then.
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