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Whether or not Traci Lords flicks before "Traci, I Love You" are actually child porn or not is rather immaterial for in the named, she was 18 and in those before the named, she was younger......and that's against the law.
I’ll accept what you say about getting SHOT, anyone from the Texas Hill Country would know about that!
I know nothing of Traci Lords, and I have no intention of putting her name in a search engine, but it would appear that TPTB in Puerto Rico got egg all over their face in the N.Y. Times link you quoted re the 19 y.o. Spanish porn star.
There is no crime alleged. It is a civil suit. Civil suits have a lower burden of proof in the US. A civil suit requires plaintiffs prove their case by "a preponderance of evidence," a criminal case requires "beyond a reasonable doubt."
A civil suit still needs to establish that a law was broken and the usual burden of proof is balance of probability.
As already stated Prince Andrew can just ignore the US Courts, in which case an automatic default decision will be made, and it will then have to go before the High Court in London and English law. There would in such circumstances be no jury and reporting would be subject to sub judice laws.
Almist everything in life is a "he said, she said." That's why we have laws. That's why we have attorneys. That's why we have law enforcement and crime labs. That's why in legal proceedings we have the "discovery phase." That's why we have trials. That's why we have mediation. That's why we sometimes have judges ruling. That's why we often have juries ruling.
The side that has made the best case wins, often the side with the most evidence. However we have seen many times that juries will rule circumstantially because they believe victims. You know, because some people actually have compassion for victims and they know how to "read" people and situations. There is something called " beyond a reasonable doubt." That's why Ghislaine Maxwell was convicted.
If it were up to you, Ghislaine Maxwell and her ilk would be still be running the streets.
Almist everything in life is a "he said, she said." That's why we have laws. That's why we have attorneys. That's why we have law enforcement and crime labs. That's why in legal proceedings we have the "discovery phase." That's why we have trials. That's why we have mediation. That's why we sometimes have judges ruling. That's why we often have juries ruling.
The side that has made the best case wins, often the side with the most evidence. However we have seen many times that juries will rule circumstantially because they believe victims. You know, because some people actually have compassion for victims and they know how to "read" people and situations. There is something called " beyond a reasonable doubt." That's why Ghislaine Maxwell was convicted.
If it were up to you, Ghislaine Maxwell and her ilk would be still be running the streets.
I really don't think crime labs are going to do much good in relation to events that happened over twenty years ago.
In terms of Maxwell she should have left the US and fled to France when she had the opportunity, as she has French citizenship and was born in France. France along with countries such as Austria, Estonia, Germany, Greece, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovenia etc do not extradite their citizens to the US due to constitutional and legislative principles.
Maxwell may have had to face trial in France, however even if found guilty it is doubtful she would face an excessive sentence such as 65 years.
It should also be noted that in Europe, trial by Jury is only used in a minority of cases when compared to the US.
In terms of Civil Cases, there are generally no reciprocal agreements, meaning if a person overseas refuses to engage, a default decision will be made rather than an evidence decision, and in order for the case to progress further you would have to go through the courts where the person resides or is a citizen.
Prince Andrew may just want to let the US courts issue a default decision, and then fight any case in the English Civil Courts, where there is no jury in civil cases, and where reporting would be subject to sub judice laws.
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I really don't think crime labs are going to do much good in relation to events that happened over twenty years ago.
In terms of Maxwell she should have left the US and fled to France, as she has French citizenship and was born in France. France along with countries such as Austria, Estonia, Germany, Greece, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovenia etc do not extradite their citizens to the US.
Of course not. I was speaking of the process in general.
And thankfully, she did not flee. Maybe we'll see the "8 names," we probably won't. And those eight names are just the tip of the tip of the iceberg anyway.
A civil suit still needs to establish that a law was broken and the usual burden of proof is balance of probability.
As already stated Prince Andrew can just ignore the US Courts, in which case an automatic default decision will be made, and it will then have to go before the High Court in London and English law. There would in such circumstances be no jury and reporting would be subject to sub judice laws.
Civil cases do not necessarily involve breaking laws. Most of them allege some sort of damages caused by the defendant's actions or negligence without reference to any violation of laws.
Of course not. I was speaking of the process in general.
And thankfully, she did not flee. Maybe we'll see the "8 names," we probably won't. And those eight names are just the tip of the tip of the iceberg anyway.
The Civil Case against Prince Andrew is a load of nonsense, whilst I doubt the US will be looking at criminal charges, based on the evidence I have seen.
Indeed Scotland Yard and the CPS reviewed the case including material from the US civil courts and media in relation to the Guiffre case, and have decided three times that there is no evidence regarding allegations of criminality, and evidence does not meet the prosecution codes in relation to reliability, credibility and admissibility.
According to the media, Scotland Yard Detectives even spoke with Guiffre.
Whether the UK may want to change extradition arrangements in respect of the US, is something that has been mulled over recent years, whilst some extraditions have recently been prevented due to the inhumane conditions in US prisons breaching Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights in relation to Freedom from torture and inhuman or degrading treatment. Which is something that Maxwell and her family have alleged.
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I’ll accept what you say about getting SHOT, anyone from the Texas Hill Country would know about that!
I know nothing of Traci Lords, and I have no intention of putting her name in a search engine, but it would appear that TPTB in Puerto Rico got egg all over their face in the N.Y. Times link you quoted re the 19 y.o. Spanish porn star.
In both cases, it was no doubt the earthquake that shattered the trial........but there is a bit more than egg on the face to consider. That is, was one looking at a situation where the government can do no wrong, that they are always right, even when it is apparent that they were so gung ho for the kill that they ignored some basic checking?
In Ms. Lords case, at the trial of the X rated film makers who made so many flicks of an underaged actress, their defence was that she presented valid looking ID when she entered that business. One might say, "Yeah, right! You are going to believe such and not know she was underage?". Well, what broke that case was when it was showed that the US Gov't issued an adult passport to her.....when she was underage.
Civil cases do not necessarily involve breaking laws. Most of them allege some sort of damages caused by the defendant's actions or negligence without reference to any violation of laws.
In order to claim damages there must be some form of negligence or abuse in relation to the law and judicial precedent is often used to form the basis of civil law.
Civil law deals with behaviour that constitutes an injury to an individual or other private party, such as a corporation.
A tort is an act or omission that gives rise to injury or harm to another and amounts to a civil wrong for which courts impose liability. In the context of torts, "injury" describes the invasion of any legal right, whereas "harm" describes a loss or detriment in fact that an individual suffers.
However Civil Law is still based firmly on the law and judicial precedents.
A Judge can't just make up a ruling, he has to go and look at the law including judicial precedent.
Unless it can be proved in relation to the balance of probabilities that the allegations did take place, then there is no case to answer.
Prostitution is not illegal in Great Britain, and seeking damages in relation to paid sex work such as working voluntarily as an escort would not be accepted by the Civil Courts in the UK.
Virginia Roberts Guiffre has already stated that she was paid £15,000 by Epstein for allegedly having sex with Prince Andrew, and witnesses have gone on record stating that she was a prostitute/escort who lied about her age. The age of consent in the UK being 16 however prostitutes/escorts should be at least 18.
I shouldn't imagine many sex slaves are paid $15,000 to have sex with someone and I also should imagine there would be plenty of young women who would be quite happy to sleep with a famous Prince for $15,000.
Furthermore even if Prince Andrew did have sex with an escort who lied about her age, where is the big crime or civil offence, and he's even denying it actually happened in the first place and there is little proof beyond a picture in relation to events in London. Whilst there is even less evidence in terms of events in New York, and in terms of Epstein Island, the Prince visited three times with his Scotland Yard Royalty Protection Officer, and the pilot is on record as seeing nothing unusual. It also should be noted that former US President Bill Clinton visited Epstein island at least nine times.
I am sure lots of men use the services of escorts in London and other cities, and it's perfectly legal.
In terms of Prince Andrew's involvement in sex trafficking, there's no evidence whatsoever and Virginia Roberts Guiffres story keeps changing, and is full of holes, she even stated that Prince Andrew had sex with her at Epstein's ranch but later dropped the allegation when she realised Prince Andrew had never visited the ranch.
As for the US case, as already stated Prince Andrew should just let the case run it's course and a default decision be issued, and then the case would have to move to the High Court in London, where there would be no jury and where sub judice laws apply in order to try and prevent trial by media.
Prince Andrew could state the reason for the none participation and default was due to the fact he does not believe he’ll get a fair trial in the US and has no faith in US Justice, and that Judge Kaplan has been labelled biased by United Nations organisations just last year, whilst the US Judicial system has been condemned by British courts in relation to inhumane treatment that breaches Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights.
As for Guiffres Lawyers such as David Boies, would not be qualified or permitted to represent her at the High Court in London.
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