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I'm sticking with my rude New Yorker theory, this was supported when I learned that she grew up privileged. She is used to getting her way and the old lady was an inconvenience at a time when she was upset.
Of course there is the old stereotype of the "rude New Yorker", but don't you types usually apply that to people from New York City? She grew up in Port Jefferson, a small, historical shipbuilding town on the North Shore of Long Island, population less than 8,000. It's about fifty miles from Manhattan.
She currently lives in Astoria, a traditionally Greek neighborhood, now kind of trendy, but in Queens, an outer borough, not in "the city".
Yes, it sounds as if she grew up privileged for sure, but just saying, if your goal is to slam people from New York City, you missed the mark here. She's a small-town girl.
That would be weird, though. The attacker lived in Astoria, which is in Queens. The attack happened in Chelsea, a neighborhood in Manhattan. "Oh there's my neighbor, what a coincidence, let me go get her". Sounds unlikely.
Probably, not real familiar with NYC only been once and will never again due to crime.
Of course there is the old stereotype of the "rude New Yorker", but don't you types usually apply that to people from New York City? She grew up in Port Jefferson, a small, historical shipbuilding town on the North Shore of Long Island, population less than 8,000. It's about fifty miles from Manhattan.
She currently lives in Astoria, a traditionally Greek neighborhood, now kind of trendy, but in Queens, an outer borough, not in "the city".
Yes, it sounds as if she grew up privileged for sure, but just saying, if your goal is to slam people from New York City, you missed the mark here. She's a small-town girl.
New York's influence radiates beyond city limits. I mean some people would say you can feel it in West Palm Beach, so obviously Long Island isn't exactly beyond its reach.
I mean her family is in the construction sector, they're Italian-American. What are the odds that if we looked at her family history, we could trace back roots to Brooklyn, Queens or even Manhattan in the not so distant past?
New York's influence radiates beyond city limits. I mean some people would say you can feel it in West Palm Beach, so obviously Long Island isn't exactly beyond its reach.
I mean her family is in the construction sector, they're Italian-American. What are the odds that if we looked at her family history, we could trace back roots to Brooklyn, Queens or even Manhattan in the not so distant past?
So because someone has family that lives in NYC they can now fit into a "rude New Yorker" category? I am not really sure by your meaning behind New York having influence beyond its city limits. Any land area is going to have people that have moved out of it into another land area. Has that move given land area A influence over land area B?
New York's influence radiates beyond city limits. I mean some people would say you can feel it in West Palm Beach, so obviously Long Island isn't exactly beyond its reach.
I mean her family is in the construction sector, they're Italian-American. What are the odds that if we looked at her family history, we could trace back roots to Brooklyn, Queens or even Manhattan in the not so distant past?
Probably good. Her family likely does have city connections.
The point was that it's not necessary to make assumptions based on idiotic stereotypes.
I grew up closer to NYC than she did, except I was in New Jersey, about 30 miles NW of the city (but not Italian and with no NYC roots whatsoever--my ancestors came straight to NJ from England and the Netherlands), and then I worked in NYC for about 40 years.
Most New Yorkers are not rude, although the fast pace and direct way of speaking might make some timid outsiders from slower areas think so, and the stereotype is used in movies and on TV. To imply that it's just everyday NY behavior to shove someone to the ground is moronic and should have no place in a conversation about a heinous crime like this.
Probably good. Her family likely does have city connections.
The point was that it's not necessary to make assumptions based on idiotic stereotypes.
I grew up closer to NYC than she did, except I was in New Jersey, about 30 miles NW of the city (but not Italian and with no NYC roots whatsoever--my ancestors came straight to NJ from England and the Netherlands), and then I worked in NYC for about 40 years.
Most New Yorkers are not rude, although the fast pace and direct way of speaking might make some timid outsiders from slower areas think so, and the stereotype is used in movies and on TV. To imply that it's just everyday NY behavior to shove someone to the ground is moronic and should have no place in a conversation about a heinous crime like this.
I'm not saying this has anything to do with being a 'rude New Yorker' either, I'm more disagreeing with the notion that there's some massive gap between folks from NYC and the NJ or Long Island-born children of the folks who left NYC for the suburbs. It's all kind of a shared culture in the same Metro which stands out to people from elsewhere. If a guy moves from Brooklyn to Long Island he doesn't become a different guy, and his kids will get a healthy dose of "New York" in their upbringing and since most of their classmates in school will be in a similar boat their upbringing probably isn't that different from what it would have been in the city.
And again - unrelated to whether this has anything to do with this incident - I think "rude New Yorker" is just short hand for the phenomenon observed by people from other parts of the country that folks in the NY/NJ area are less patient, less agreeable and more inclined to be confrontational as a way of obtaining desired results than people elsewhere. Having done business with people from all over the place, I'd say there's a certain truth to that being a tendency.
I'm not saying this has anything to do with being a 'rude New Yorker' either, I'm more disagreeing with the notion that there's some massive gap between folks from NYC and the NJ or Long Island-born children of the folks who left NYC for the suburbs. It's all kind of a shared culture in the same Metro which stands out to people from elsewhere. If a guy moves from Brooklyn to Long Island he doesn't become a different guy, and his kids will get a healthy dose of "New York" in their upbringing and since most of their classmates in school will be in a similar boat their upbringing probably isn't that different from what it would have been in the city.
And again - unrelated to whether this has anything to do with this incident - I think "rude New Yorker" is just short hand for the phenomenon observed by people from other parts of the country that folks in the NY/NJ area are less patient, less agreeable and more inclined to be confrontational as a way of obtaining desired results than people elsewhere. Having done business with people from all over the place, I'd say there's a certain truth to that being a tendency.
Ok. While I don't think most of us would use your chosen adjectives to describe ourselves, lol, I can't argue with the basis of what you are trying to say.
My niece had always wanted to visit NYC, so one year, she and her best friend went to NYC, and they had a blast. She said everyone she encountered were kind and helpful to them.
Well, we don't know how crowded the street was unless they release video. The city is still nowhere near back to what it was pre-COVID. I just talked to my former (technically current, but I've done no work since August) employer who also lives in Manhattan the other day. He said that while things are still fairly sparse, it's picking up. He estimates another year until things are normal. Just FYI.
I agree that if the victim had merely been knocked down, the attacker would likely have gotten away with it. Now I'm sure the cops will have gotten video from every camera on that street to make their case. And her lawyers will likely come up with a mental illness defense and cut a deal.
Probably. This is how “justice” proceeds in the US.
The streets of downtown Vancouver, WA are very sparsely populated. But if I were walking to my fave vintage store, I know I would not notice anyone walking on the other side of the street. Maybe I would if I were a cop or gangster, but I’m not. It is simply hard for me to imagine a scenario where someone recognizes another in an urban setting, with cars around, crosses the street and deliberately pushes someone down hard enough to cause her death. However, I’m not saying it could not, or did not happen that way. I am skeptical, that’s all.
I assume they have the accused on tape, crossing the street. And if the accused did what is said she did, whatever the motive, she deserves jail, IMO.
Probably good. Her family likely does have city connections.
The point was that it's not necessary to make assumptions based on idiotic stereotypes.
I grew up closer to NYC than she did, except I was in New Jersey, about 30 miles NW of the city (but not Italian and with no NYC roots whatsoever--my ancestors came straight to NJ from England and the Netherlands), and then I worked in NYC for about 40 years.
Most New Yorkers are not rude, although the fast pace and direct way of speaking might make some timid outsiders from slower areas think so, and the stereotype is used in movies and on TV. To imply that it's just everyday NY behavior to shove someone to the ground is moronic and should have no place in a conversation about a heinous crime like this.
You make a good point about here not being from the city although I do think that behavior translates when she goes into the city, it's just the way it is in NYC. My brother lived there, I know the place. I don't consider a deli owner yelling at customers "a direct way of speaking". I see that as rude and so do most people who do not live in NY.
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