Off duty Houston cops kills 18 year old boy in Arlington (neighborhoods, to live)

[djbabyd]

I understand the thought process. I agree with obeying a police officer. I know allegedly reaching for something may give probable cause. Bad choices lead to bad results.
However:
I know this young man. I live a few houses down. This young man brought me a christmas gift and card, I have personally helped the family in an emergency. I would speak to him or a family member every day, whether it was just getting the mail or in passing. We live in a great neighborhood bordering Mansfield and Arlington. They are my neighbors, have never had any neighbors treat me as well as they have. Spoke to the father this evening, never witnessed a man trying to be so strong yet so hurt. I hope I never endure his pain.
to answer questions: I am caucasian, 38, lived in my home for 3 years...professional that holds numerous licenses and appointments.

[Exult.Q36]

Originally Posted by djbabyd

I understand the thought process. I agree with obeying a police officer. I know allegedly reaching for something may give probable cause. Bad choices lead to bad results.
However:
I know this young man. I live a few houses down. This young man brought me a christmas gift and card, I have personally helped the family in an emergency. I would speak to him or a family member every day, whether it was just getting the mail or in passing. We live in a great neighborhood bordering Mansfield and Arlington. They are my neighbors, have never had any neighbors treat me as well as they have. Spoke to the father this evening, never witnessed a man trying to be so strong yet so hurt. I hope I never endure his pain.
to answer questions: I am caucasian, 38, lived in my home for 3 years...professional that holds numerous licenses and appointments.

Yet society labels this young man as a horrible person that deserved to die. This young man was a good kid with his entire life ahead of him. I just wonder did the officer think he was in one of the Wards down in Houston. He had to know he was in the suburbs. I just feel like the officer overreacted this is not the 3rd ward.

[Poltracker]

Originally Posted by kdogg817

This young man was a good kid with his entire life ahead of him.

Did you know him? If not, then how do you know? Since when did "good" kids start carrying around with guns?

Last week, a young man was convicted here in Houston for the execution-style slaying of an HPD officer after the officer was already down. Every one of his relatives decried how he was a "good boy". I think most folks would tend to think otherwise.

I just wonder did the officer think he was in one of the Wards down in Houston. He had to know he was in the suburbs.

What's the difference? Criminals live in the suburbs too.

I just feel like the officer overreacted this is not the 3rd ward.

Were you there? If not, you do not know this with any certainty. I always see where persons who were not there or did not witness the incident always say that the officer could have subdued a person in a different manner. Heck, I've even wondered a time or two about it myself. Officers are trained to react to threats, it almost instinctive. I don't think overreaction would be an appropriate characterization of the incident. If he thought there was a threat, then he reacted. If anything it would be misjudgement, not overreaction.

[lakehighlands]

Originally Posted by kdogg817

Yet society labels this young man as a horrible person that deserved to die. This young man was a good kid with his entire life ahead of him. I just wonder did the officer think he was in one of the Wards down in Houston. He had to know he was in the suburbs. I just feel like the officer overreacted this is not the 3rd ward.

News outlets are reporting that the Arlington PD said that the deceased teen was a known gang member and was carrying a weapon. If true, what would make him a good kid?

If this teen had a gun and you were presented with the same unfortunate situation as the officer, would you shoot him? Or would you risk him shooting you?

[ETex2]

Originally Posted by lakehighlands

News outlets are reporting that the Arlington PD said that the deceased teen was a known gang member and was carrying a weapon. If true, what would make him a good kid?

If this teen had a gun and you were presented with the same unfortunate situation as the officer, would you shoot him? Or would you risk him shooting you?

The OP says that the kid "never pulled out a gun". Yea, right. Wait until that happens, and it might just be too late to react. It sounds like the cop did just what he was trained to do to save lives. Too bad the OP has turned this into a race thing. Black or white, I think just about any cop would do the same thing.

Playing the race card thing here is racist, pure and simple. This is NOT the issue.

[grindin]

I think that more details need to be released about the case before jumping to conclusions about the situation as the OP did. From what it sounds like so far, this isn't a "black and white" issue. And was the OP even there to really report what occurred?

Also, I have cops in my family (as well as a few friends), so I know that not ALL cops are "rude" or are "known to provoke people", and there is more than one side to any story. Are there rogue cops out there? Sure there are, but to paint them all in one brushstroke isn't fair either.

[smoking357]

Originally Posted by derekv

After reading the article, the officer was breaking up a gang related fight, identified himself and the dead teen repeatedly reached for a revolver tucked in his pants. Sounds like he prevented someone innocent from being shot.

Please. Of course, the article said that. The media affairs officer for the police department hands an account to the media which then becomes your news.

The article didn't interview the dead man, nor do these articles ask critical questions, or the beat reporter will have no copy, next time, and he may even get fired if he probes too deeply.

[**NoodLes**]

So let's see, a black kid involved in a fight who was packing gets killed, what am I missing? Seen this played out thousands of times, no gun, no problem, and obey the police, and everyone goes home alive.

[TexasVines]

Originally Posted by smoking357

Please. Of course, the article said that. The media affairs officer for the police department hands an account to the media which then becomes your news.

The article didn't interview the dead man, nor do these articles ask critical questions, or the beat reporter will have no copy, next time, and he may even get fired if he probes too deeply.

what exactly is the dead idiot going to say

it was not my fault when I decided to buy a gun...probably illegally and a stolen one

it was not my fault when I decided to carry a gun.....surely without a permit

it was not my fault when I decided to be at gang fight

it was not my fault to continue to hang around the gang fight

it was not my fault to continue to hang around a gang fight even though I was illegally armed

it was not my fault that I did not comply with the cops

it was not my fault I flashed my illegal gun to toe police

and it was not my fault that I reached for that gun even though I was being told not to by the police

this worthless idiot had about 10 chances to make the types of decisions that a "guh boi" and an "hunur scrudent" would make before it wound up dead because of its own continued poor decision making

in each and all of those cases this worthless loser made the WRONG choice and made the choice that a moron, fool, and felon would make......and fortunately for society no one else was injured because of this multitude of stupidity and bad choices and the tax payers will not have to food the bill to warehouse stupidity and bad decision making disguised as a "goo boiz" until it is freed to make more of the same stupid decisions

there were DOZENS of bad choices made by a SINGLE individual that lead up to that fool having a gun illegally and confronting a cop with it at a mini-ghetto riot

[**NoodLes**]

Originally Posted by TexasVines

what exactly is the dead idiot going to say

it was not my fault when I decided to buy a gun...probably illegally and a stolen one

it was not my fault when I decided to carry a gun.....surely without a permit

it was not my fault when I decided to be at gang fight

it was not my fault to continue to hang around the gang fight

it was not my fault to continue to hang around a gang fight even though I was illegally armed

it was not my fault that I did not comply with the cops

it was not my fault I flashed my illegal gun to toe police

and it was not my fault that I reached for that gun even though I was being told not to by the police

this worthless idiot had about 10 chances to make the types of decisions that a "guh boi" and an "hunur scrudent" would make before it wound up dead because of its own continued poor decision making

in each and all of those cases this worthless loser made the WRONG choice and made the choice that a moron, fool, and felon would make......and fortunately for society no one else was injured because of this multitude of stupidity and bad choices and the tax payers will not have to food the bill to warehouse stupidity and bad decision making disguised as a "goo boiz" until it is freed to make more of the same stupid decisions

there were DOZENS of bad choices made by a SINGLE individual that lead up to that fool having a gun illegally and confronting a cop with it at a mini-ghetto riot

But, but, this is America, where nobody is responsible for their own bad decisions, LOL! You hit the nail on the head, people CHOOSE to commit crimes, they CHOOSE to hang around the wrong people, they CHOOSE to be involved with the wrong people, and most the times they end up dead, and if they go to jail they than realize that nobody cares about them, not even their "homiez". I blame it all on the parents for not whooping his butt when they need it.