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Old 05-05-2017, 11:25 AM
 
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Maybe the reason Dental Schools gave me an estimate nearly 3x more than the dentist who did my extractions is because students lack the ' special expertise" and thus what should be an hour long procedure gets dragged into days due to lack of " special expertise" in the extraction, cutting and stitching being performed in complete extractions.


That, lack of experience in extractions, was the reason a family dentist gave to my neighbor when he gouged her $11,000 in the late 70's.


40 years ago.


Said it was sooooooo time consuming.


Of course, if you have little experience like dental students or a family dentist who rarely does them.
Sorry, but I am not going to be gouged $$$$$$$$$$ just to compensate for a student or dentist who drags the procedure out.
Huh? So you are saying a specialist should charge less than a non-specialist because they perform the procedure more often?
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Old 05-05-2017, 12:03 PM
 
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I'm 71 and have dentures. I hate them and, for me, there's no ease or convenience in using them. Using adhesives isn't so bad applying, but removing the sticky mess is a time-consuming chore. It's not just removing the goo from the dentures, it also involves removing the goo stuck to your gums and palate. That said, I know there are people who do just fine with standard dentures. However, if I were younger and cost was not an issue, I'd go for implant dentures in a minute. At a cost of $2,000 per post and a total of 8 posts needed, that alone ends up to $16,000 just for the posts (and installation), not including the dentures. That's the only thing that has discouraged me from going with implants. I was told that my dentures could be used by removing the plate covering the palate and trimming back the portions covering the gums, which would save on the expense of having a new set made.

As for any discomfort related to the installation, I doubt it would be any worse than extractions. Several of mine required cutting to extract because there wasn't much above the gum line to pull on. Healing from the installation of implants shouldn't take much longer than the extractions. As I understand it, bone loss will gradually occur with standard dentures. If a person is fearful about the idea of having the bone drilled, the dental surgeon should be able to provide IV sedation in addition to numbing you up.

In my opinion, disadvantages of standard dentures is that bone loss will continue and require periodic adjustment to fit well. With a full upper plate, the sensation of taste and feel is greatly reduced. For me, trying to swallow food or drink is still difficult, and I've had these for almost 2 years now.

While implant dentures are still not an actual substitute for real teeth, they're likely to be a little closer to the real thing, even though they're still not going to be the same. For one thing, they lack the plate that covers covering the roof of your mouth (the palate). You'd have better sensation of taste and feeling. Chewing food is less of a problem because they're tightly secured and the pressure includes the bone, not just the gums. As I understand it, having implant posts reduces bone loss because the bone forms around and holds the posts. That assumes there's enough bone to hold the posts for installation in the first place. That should also help reduce any increase in having your cheeks look like they're caved in.

If you can afford implant dentures and there's enough bone to allow it, I'd say go for it. As for bone loss, I suppose it depends on a variety of things, but it may be possible to have a bone graft, although, that too will add to the overall expense.
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Old 05-05-2017, 02:55 PM
 
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dr. Bart0323's answer: in the past, if a new soldier was determined to have a lot of existing dental problems with a likelihood of developing future dental problems in the field, common military practice was to go ahead and remove all the teeth. The rationale was that they didn't want you to not be able to do your job i.e. Kill the enemy if you were worried about/suffering from tooth pain.

There are also very rare (0.1-1% of the population) forms of gum disease that start in childhood. Most of those patients lose all their teeth in their 20s-30s.


david a. Stone's answer: you are crazy! My teeth were garbage and i needed dentures, so you do too - you just don't know it. You are also crazy for wasting your money on such nonsense like crowns and implants when you could have just got cheap top of the line dentures which are better than your own teeth! I don't know you or the dentist, but i know for a fact the dentist ripped you off and took an expensive vacation on your dime, sucker! next time pm me personally so you can take oral healthcare advice from someone who doesn't even have teeth!


/sarcasm
haha!!!!
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Old 05-05-2017, 03:10 PM
 
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You seem very evasive about how many complete extractions you do in a week.
Of course a dentist who rarely does them is going to say they are soooooo much work and charge a sky high price $$$$$$$$$$$$ compared to a dentist who does several a day.
What difference does it make how many extractions he does in a week, in my opinion if I were looking for a new dentist I would try to find the one who does the fewest extractions because that infers to me that saving teeth is as important to him (or her) as it is to me.
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Old 05-05-2017, 04:34 PM
 
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I agree with 2sleepy.

David A. Stone, it's none of your business how many extractions a dentist performs.

Your obsession and resentment of dentists is weird.
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Old 05-05-2017, 06:29 PM
 
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I agree with 2sleepy.

David A. Stone, it's none of your business how many extractions a dentist performs.

Your obsession and resentment of dentists is weird.
if you were getting advice on getting a hip replacement, I would think it would be your business how many that orthopedic doctor has performed.


Getting advice for your hip from an orthopedic doctor who rarely does hip replacements would be dumb.
Heeding his advice would really be dumb !
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Old 05-05-2017, 06:31 PM
 
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if you were getting advice on getting a hip replacement, I would think it would be your business how many that orthopedic doctor has performed.
Getting advice for your hip from an orthopedic doctor who rarely does hip replacements would be dumb.
Heeding his advice would really be dumb !
I would have expected you to suggest that you just get your hip removed and be done with it, no use paying some Doctor good money for a hip replacement so that he can go on a fancy vacation
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Old 05-05-2017, 06:48 PM
 
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I would have expected you to suggest that you just get your hip removed and be done with it, no use paying some Doctor good money for a hip replacement so that he can go on a fancy vacation
Why?


Hip replacement is nearly identical to getting dentures.


Something is worm out so you get it replaced with an artificial part that takes the place of what was taken out.


Sounds like dentures and hip replacement has a lot in common.
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Old 05-05-2017, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Bay Area California
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Why?


Hip replacement is nearly identical to getting dentures.


Something is worm out so you get it replaced with an artificial part that takes the place of what was taken out.


Sounds like dentures and hip replacement has a lot in common.
Except that a joint replacement gets IMPLANTED into the body with all that implies. The obvious implications are the permanance of the replacement, the skill required to place the replacement correctly and for best functionality and the monitoring of the patient for physical acceptance of the replacement.

What would be a closer comparison to dentures is amputation and a prosthetic device afterward.
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Old 05-05-2017, 06:59 PM
 
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Except that a joint replacement gets IMPLANTED into the body with all that implies. The obvious implications are the permanance of the replacement, the skill required to place the replacement correctly and for best functionality and the monitoring of the patient for physical acceptance of the replacement.

What would be a closer comparison to dentures is amputation and a prosthetic device afterward.
Thanks, you beat me to it
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