Eat Less, Move more!! - why is it so difficult for people? (supplement, eyes)
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Feeding behavior may be poorly understood, but you cannot ignore it. Behavior can be changed. No matter what the genetic component of obesity is, eating less and exercising more will cause weight loss.
Again, look at Prader-Willi syndrome.
It is definitely genetic. Check.
It definitely produces abnormal feeding behavior, probably due to a defect in centers of the hypothalamus that control hunger and/or feelings of satiation. Check.
It definitely results in obesity. Check.
But weight can be controlled by limiting access to food. That means locking the cupboards and refrigerator. Friends and neighbors have to know they cannot give food to someone with Prader-Willi. The compulsion to eat is uncontrollable. In this case, the behavior cannot be changed.
With Prader-Willi, the obesity is due to a genetically determined compulsion to eat. But weight can be controlled with diet.
I am still waiting for a link to an obesity researcher who states that reducing food intake and execising will not cause weight loss.
The body has DEFENSIVE COMPENSATORY MECHANISMS ( largely not understood well) which can EASILY COUNTER any voluntary conscious attempts- NEGATING "eat less and move more." Thus, leaving you frustrated and STILL FAT.
YOU ARE NOT GETTING THIS IMPORTANT POINT. YOU CAN EAT LESS AND EXERCISE MORE ALL YOU WANT. IF YOUR BODY FAT SETPOINT IS RAISED, IT WILL NOT WORK WELL IF AT ALL. THE BODY DEFENDS THE FAT MASS SET POINT VORACIOUSLY AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT ( THE ADIPOSTAT) IT IS ALL CONTROLLED BY NEURAL CIRCUITRY.
GOOGLE DR STEPHAN GUYENET ADIPOSTAT.
Anti depressants CAUSE WEIGHT GAIN BECAUSE THEY ACT ON THE EXACT SAME NEURAL CIRCUITRY WHICH REGULATES BODY WEIGHT.
TALK WITH DR. LINDA BACON PhD too. She is ANOTHER name you can add to my list who realizes this.
Your body weight is controlled largely and overwhelmingly involuntarily by extremely complex neural circuitry.
Your level voluntary control is extremely limited- extremely- over the long term.
This is what SCIENCE has shown and there are immensely strong mountains of evidence for this which was collected over 40 years.
Are there SOME healthy people who have no history of obesity in their family and gained moderrate weight due to poor habits? Are there SOME people who simply do not give a amn and let themselves go? Yes, I am sure they are out there. Would they lose 10 pounds with better habits? Perhaps . If not 10 then almost certainly 5. Everybody should try to stay about 5 pounds less- the lower end of SETPOINT. That is usually achievable.
BUT true morbid obesity and /or other medical conditions resulting in weight gain is ANOTHER ISSUE.
Rick tell us about yourself. Are you overweight? Did you lose weight? Are you struggling with weight issues? Do you exercise at all? What is your typical diet?
I am sure we would all be very curious to know since you have deemed yourself such an expert.
I named them for you MANY times. Voluntary factors will ONLY affect a narrow range. We all can be about 5 to 10 pounds less, BUT THAT'S IT. After that eat less and move more does NOT solve obesity AT ALL.
Very smal weight loss and short term at that.
5 to 10 pounds less is NOT solving obesity. AGAIN, I GAVE YOU THE RESEARCHERS' NAMES MANY TIMES,. THESE ARE THE VERY BEST IN THE FIELD.
EVEN BARIATRIC SURGERY LEAVES POEPLE OBESE. AVERAGE BMI IS 32 WITH ONLY 800 CLAORIES A DAY. THAT ALONE SHOULD TELL YOU HOW COMPLEX OBESITY IS.
Not names, Rick.
Please link to statements from these scientists that people who eat less and move more will not lose weight.
All you have said so far is that no one can ever lose weight and keep it off. Since there are plenty of people who do that, you make no sense at all. Yes, it is hard for some people. No, it is not impossible.
Again, please stop capitalizing so many words. It makes your posts hard to read and it does nothing to help your argument.
It may be more difficult for some to lose and maintain the loss. That doe not mean it cannot be done.
From your study:
"The two notable parameters associated with weight loss after the induction of hypothalamic Pomc were reduction in food consumption and normalization of locomotor activity."
The mice ate less and moved more after the genetic defect was corrected.
Humans have the ability to change behavior. Mice do not.
The study gives insight into the genetic contributions of obesity. It does not prove that someone who with a genetic propensity to be heavier must always be heavier.
I never claimed it couldn't be done. I simply stated that the study may shed some light on why it's more difficult for some people to keep the weight off.
Some people have to work harder to maintain a healthy weight. In most cases, a 20 year old trying to lose weight doesn't have to change their behavior as much as a 40 year old who is trying to do the same.
For some people weight loss comes easier to them because, well, it actually is easier. It's not completely in our heads. There is a biological and maybe even a genetic component.
The SCIENTIFIC APPROACH to treating obesity is as follows:
*Define molecular components of the pathways that regulate bodyweight
*Define molecular defects in abnormal states/obesity
*Identify effects of environmental factors on these pathways: hormones, diet, lifestyle, other.
*Develelop rational therapies
Until we COMPLETELY DITCH the (scientifically unfounded and unsupported)belief based nostrum to simply "eat less and move more" , we will NEVER make progress treating obesity. We need to accept modern 21st century advances in medical science.
A MUCH DEEPER UNDERSTANDING OF THIS CHRONIC DISEASE OF OBESITY IS NEEDED.
Please link to statements from these scientists that people who eat less and move more will not lose weight.
All you have said so far is that no one can ever lose weight and keep it off. Since there are plenty of people who do that, you make no sense at all. Yes, it is hard for some people. No, it is not impossible.
Again, please stop capitalizing so many words. It makes your posts hard to read and it does nothing to help your argument.
I LINKED A VIDEO . WATCH IT. In the video Dr Jeffrey Friedman SPECIFICALLY says "eat less move more" does NOT work.
READ DR. LINDA BACON'S MANIFESTO . SHE MENTIONS IT THERE AS WELL.
DIG.
YOU CAN FIND DR. LEIBEL'S STATEMENTS ALSO IF YOU DIG HARD ENOUGH. "People have a biology to either be fatter or thinner and WISHING ( voluntary factors) it one way or another is NOT going to change much."
Please link to statements from these scientists that people who eat less and move more will not lose weight.
All you have said so far is that no one can ever lose weight and keep it off. Since there are plenty of people who do that, you make no sense at all. Yes, it is hard for some people. No, it is not impossible.
again, please stop capitalizing so many words. It makes your posts hard to read and it does nothing to help your argument.
I did MUCH more than "say." I gave you SOURCES from Dr. Leibel, Dr. Rosenbaum and Dr. Friedman AND LECTURES.YOU CHOSE NOT TO READ THEM OR WATCH THEM.
The success rate of dieting is LESS THAN 5 % AFTER 3 YEARS , LESS THAN 3 % AFTER 5 YEARS AND 1 % AFTER 10 YEARS
There are NOT "many poeple who do it." They are RARE and they are usually not MORBIDLY OBESE- JUST REGULAR OVERWEIGHT PEOPLE.
And furthermore, OBESE people almost never do it ESPECIALLY LONG TERM- 10 YEARS PLUS - EVEN 5 YEARS.
looooooong term. 10 years, 15 years, 20 years and more.
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