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There is a huge difference between "size 2", and "not overweight". I will never be that small either, but I am not overweight anymore. My point is that if you feel as if you are discriminated against because you are overweight, lose the weight.
Should weight matter? Well, it depends on who you ask, I guess. Why are people overweight? Generally, a lack of self-control and lack of self-discipline. (Medical reasons are a small percentage). If a person (whether a boss or an SO) wants someone who possesses discipline and self-control, then how is that wrong?
I swear, if people put as much energy into getting fit as they do into making excuses for being overweight, we would all be in better shape (pun intended).
Can you please provide a link to back up your statement that only a small percentage of overweight people are due to medical reasons? This would include those with hypothyroidism (untreated), bipolar or schizophrenic (who must take drugs like Depakote or Seroquel), those who are mobility-limited and cannot get around, perhaps some type of insulin issues, etc. You get the idea.
If you cannot, your other statements are null and void.
Can you please provide a link to back up your statement that only a small percentage of overweight people are due to medical reasons? This would include those with hypothyroidism (untreated), bipolar or schizophrenic (who must take drugs like Depakote or Seroquel), those who are mobility-limited and cannot get around, perhaps some type of insulin issues, etc. You get the idea.
If you cannot, your other statements are null and void.
See my statement below. You are quite good at this excuse thing.
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I swear, if people put as much energy into getting fit as they do into making excuses for being overweight, we would all be in better shape (pun intended).
Can you please provide a link to back up your statement that only a small percentage of overweight people are due to medical reasons? This would include those with hypothyroidism (untreated), bipolar or schizophrenic (who must take drugs like Depakote or Seroquel), those who are mobility-limited and cannot get around, perhaps some type of insulin issues, etc. You get the idea.
If you cannot, your other statements are null and void.
That's just a well-known fact. About 8% can cite genetic reasons. You can google it yourself.
I believe there is something wrong with our food. It's not just our lifestyles. This obesity thing really took off over the last 25 years - not coincidentally the time that HFCS was put into EVERYTHING (seriously...even freakin' ketchup)...and other food additives became popular. It's why there is a ban on it at our house.
I don't know any obese people who eat completely whole foods all the time, focusing on high fiber veggies, lean proteins, and are sensible about fruit intake.
Sweetheart, all the data in the world won't help you if you can't control what you put into your mouth. When I was fat, I knew that it took 3500 calorie deficit (that's eating less and moving more) to lose weight. Didn't make me lose weight. I also knew that there were 540 calories in a Big Mac. Didn't stop me from ordering them. I also knew that I should eat around 1500 calories a day to get to a healthy weight. I ate twice that much.
That's just a well-known fact. About 8% can cite genetic reasons. You can google it yourself.
I believe there is something wrong with our food. It's not just our lifestyles. This obesity thing really took off over the last 25 years - not coincidentally the time that HFCS was put into EVERYTHING (seriously...even freakin' ketchup)...and other food additives became popular. It's why there is a ban on it at our house.
I don't know any obese people who eat completely whole foods all the time, focusing on high fiber veggies, lean proteins, and are sensible about fruit intake.
Ok, so 8% genetic reasons. We have to define genetic reasons. Does this include untreated hypothyroidism? Does this include something going on haywire with the insulin system? Does this include all the meds that psychiatrists pump their patients full of that routinely are known to pack on 70 lbs? I am quite sure there is much more I am not aware of.
And I agree there is something wrong with our lifestyle. You won't see this kind of obesity in other countries because their lifestyle is different. It isn't car-centric and they eat differently. Their culture is different and I'd go so far as to say they don't have that whole emotional eating component thing going on. They most likely don't deal with the eating disorders we do. I'd have to research that.
What has irritated me throughout this thread is the simplicity that most want to approach this subject with. They do not seem to see the big picture and there is WAY too much judgment going on and NO data to support anything.
But this is really getting off topic, but in and of itself a real example of the discrimination that DOES exist with all the holier than thou, self-righteous and judgmental posts thoughout.
There's plenty of data out there, sweetheart. I am not your google monkey.
Some can be found on google, article databases, and even on other threads in this forum.
Sweetheart, all the data in the world won't help you if you can't control what you put into your mouth. When I was fat, I knew that it took 3500 calorie deficit (that's eating less and moving more) to lose weight. Didn't make me lose weight. I also knew that there were 540 calories in a Big Mac. Didn't stop me from ordering them. I also knew that I should eat around 1500 calories a day to get to a healthy weight. I ate twice that much.
First of all, don't call me sweetheart. I guarantee I've gained and lost more weight in my life than you. Enough of the condescension. It's getting old.
Ok, so 8% genetic reasons. We have to define genetic reasons. Does this include untreated hypothyroidism? Does this include something going on haywire with the insulin system? Does this include all the meds that psychiatrists pump their patients full of that routinely are known to pack on 70 lbs? I am quite sure there is much more I am not aware of.
And I agree there is something wrong with our lifestyle. You won't see this kind of obesity in other countries because their lifestyle is different. It isn't car-centric and they eat differently. Their culture is different and I'd go so far as to say they don't have that whole emotional eating component thing going on. They most likely don't deal with the eating disorders we do. I'd have to research that.
What has irritated me throughout this thread is the simplicity that most want to approach this subject with. They do not seem to see the big picture and there is WAY too much judgment going on and NO data to support anything.
But this is really getting off topic, but in and of itself a real example of the discrimination that DOES exist with all the holier than thou, self-righteous and judgmental posts thoughout.
Just as you tire of the "discrimination", I tire of excuses. If people would get real with themselves and do the dang work instead of *****ing, they would be healthier. Stop looking for reasons not to do it and look for reasons TO do it.
An excerpt from that link:
"Despite obesity having strong genetic determinants, the genetic composition of the population does not change rapidly. Therefore, the large increase in . . . [obesity] must reflect major changes in non-genetic factors." Hill, James O., and Trowbridge, Frederick L. Childhood obesity: future directions and research priorities. Pediatrics. 1998; Supplement: 571.
and,
How do genes affect obesity?
Science shows that genetics plays a role in obesity. Genes can directly cause obesity in specific disorders such as Bardet-Biedl syndrome and Prader-Willi syndrome.
However genes do not always predict future health. Genes and behavior may both be needed for a person to be overweight. In some cases multiple genes may increase one's susceptibility for obesity and require outside factors; such as abundant food supply or little physical activity
What data do you need that supports "get off your butt and back away from the table?"
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There's plenty of data out there, sweetheart. I am not your google monkey.
Some can be found on google, article databases, and even on other threads in this forum.
And to whom are you addressing this? I am not your sweetheart EITHER. Did I effing ask you to google anything?
If there is ONE thing I've learned today, and for some reason especially today, mean people suck and there are plenty of them on the Net. I am out of here.
You all have yourselves a lovely time attacking and belittling each other. I'm done.
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