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Old 09-03-2018, 03:18 PM
 
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Carbs: bad and good, not bad across the board.

White flour, sugar, and all that is universally accepted as bad for you. Quinoa, millet, faro and good whole foods like that are very good for you.

And I can't emphasize enough: variety and moderation

Exactly!

There is a huge misconception that all carbs are baked goods like crackers, cakes, white breads, cookies, etc...Carbs are much more than a buzz word for junk foods that have no nutritional value.
The healthiest diet is one that incorporates all the food groups and focuses on whole, fresh foods. Lean proteins, good fats, vegetables, fruit, whole grains, and legumes. All the other stuff is okay in moderate amounts.
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Old 09-03-2018, 03:42 PM
 
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'Low-Carb' Diet May Up Odds for an Early Death

https://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/...-early-death#1
I've been low-carb for about 15 years, and I'm still here. Going low-carb would have extended my friend's life, who have diabetes. Last winter, he nearly died twice, and was only saved by emergency heart surgery both times, one month apart. He's going to die a miserable death as a result of complications from diabetes. His kidneys are already going, as are his feet (neuropathy). A low-carb diet could have at least postponed the onset of all that, if not prevented it entirely.

What a waste of bandwidth that article is.
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Old 09-03-2018, 03:55 PM
 
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I've been low-carb for about 15 years, and I'm still here. Going low-carb would have extended my friend's life, who have diabetes. Last winter, he nearly died twice, and was only saved by emergency heart surgery both times, one month apart. He's going to die a miserable death as a result of complications from diabetes. His kidneys are already going, as are his feet (neuropathy). A low-carb diet could have at least postponed the onset of all that, if not prevented it entirely.

What a waste of bandwidth that article is.
Same with my brother and his diabetes. He'd still be alive today if he had learned how to control his sugars with a low-carb diet. He had painful peripheral neuropathy for years, suffered through toe/foot amputations, then died with kidney failure from his diabetes.

A low-carb diet would have been a lifesaver for him.
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Old 09-03-2018, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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I've been low-carb for about 15 years, and I'm still here. Going low-carb would have extended my friend's life, who have diabetes. Last winter, he nearly died twice, and was only saved by emergency heart surgery both times, one month apart. He's going to die a miserable death as a result of complications from diabetes. His kidneys are already going, as are his feet (neuropathy). A low-carb diet could have at least postponed the onset of all that, if not prevented it entirely.

What a waste of bandwidth that article is.

Of course someone with a medical condition that makes your body react poorly to carbs isn't included in this.

And be honest, was he eating bread, cookies, sugar, white rice and fried potatoes?

Or things like faro risotto or a fresh veggie and chickpea salad?

Here's where I find the problem with the low/no carb: you are omitting a huge array of nutrients. Sure you can get them partially replaced... if you eat the whole animal. But most people aren't doing that, they are not eating spleen, brains, tripe and all the nutrient dense parts of the animals (like the Inuits). They are picking the part they like, like a ribeye.

These whole trends of omitting whole food groups is not healthy, whether it be vegetarian or low carb IMO.

If you find an increase of 32% increased chance of dying in a 6 year time span not note-worthy, I'm fine with that. But I do find it worthy of looking at, even with the limitations of the study (ie: correlation vs. causation, etc.).
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Old 09-03-2018, 04:26 PM
 
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Of course someone with a medical condition that makes your body react poorly to carbs isn't included in this.

And be honest, was he eating bread, cookies, sugar, white rice and fried potatoes?

Or things like faro risotto or a fresh veggie and chickpea salad?

Here's where I find the problem with the low/no carb: you are omitting a huge array of nutrients. Sure you can get them partially replaced... if you eat the whole animal. But most people aren't doing that, they are not eating spleen, brains, tripe and all the nutrient dense parts of the animals (like the Inuits). They are picking the part they like, like a ribeye.

These whole trends of omitting whole food groups is not healthy, whether it be vegetarian or low carb IMO.

If you find an increase of 32% increased chance of dying in a 6 year time span not note-worthy, I'm fine with that. But I do find it worthy of looking at, even with the limitations of the study (ie: correlation vs. causation, etc.).
I agree. I don't believe in the the trends that require eliminating entire food groups. I eat moderately of all things including a little "junk food". I like plant foods and I like animal protein. I just don't gorge on anything. The Chinese have a food philosophy "There is no bad food, just wrong food at the wrong time."
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Old 09-03-2018, 05:07 PM
 
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Of course someone with a medical condition that makes your body react poorly to carbs isn't included in this.

And be honest, was he eating bread, cookies, sugar, white rice and fried potatoes?

Or things like faro risotto or a fresh veggie and chickpea salad?

Here's where I find the problem with the low/no carb: you are omitting a huge array of nutrients. Sure you can get them partially replaced... if you eat the whole animal. But most people aren't doing that, they are not eating spleen, brains, tripe and all the nutrient dense parts of the animals (like the Inuits). They are picking the part they like, like a ribeye.

These whole trends of omitting whole food groups is not healthy, whether it be vegetarian or low carb IMO.

If you find an increase of 32% increased chance of dying in a 6 year time span not note-worthy, I'm fine with that. But I do find it worthy of looking at, even with the limitations of the study (ie: correlation vs. causation, etc.).
We probably don't need any grains though. Humans started eating them relatively recently, and we evolved for millions of years without them.
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Old 09-03-2018, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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We probably don't need any grains though. Humans started eating them relatively recently, and we evolved for millions of years without them.
Recent evidence shows Paleo man ate grains. But whether or not that's accurate really doesn't matter. We evolved before fire was used for cooking two, and I'll stick with cooked food.

And grains are not the only source of carbs.
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Old 09-03-2018, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Wine Country
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We probably don't need any grains though. Humans started eating them relatively recently, and we evolved for millions of years without them.
Its called evolving. We have longer life spans now too.
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Old 09-03-2018, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Wine Country
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If you eat low carb because you have diabetes this is not directed at you! If you are eating a certain way because of a medical condition this does not apply to you.
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Old 09-03-2018, 08:50 PM
 
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Of course someone with a medical condition that makes your body react poorly to carbs isn't included in this.

And be honest, was he eating bread, cookies, sugar, white rice and fried potatoes?

Or things like faro risotto or a fresh veggie and chickpea salad?

Here's where I find the problem with the low/no carb: you are omitting a huge array of nutrients. Sure you can get them partially replaced... if you eat the whole animal. But most people aren't doing that, they are not eating spleen, brains, tripe and all the nutrient dense parts of the animals (like the Inuits). They are picking the part they like, like a ribeye.

These whole trends of omitting whole food groups is not healthy, whether it be vegetarian or low carb IMO.

If you find an increase of 32% increased chance of dying in a 6 year time span not note-worthy, I'm fine with that. But I do find it worthy of looking at, even with the limitations of the study (ie: correlation vs. causation, etc.).
A fresh veggie salad with chickpeas fits in with a low-carb diet, so I'm not quite following you. What whole food groups are eliminated, in a low-carb diet? One can have brown rice, or chickpeas or regular peas, or red beans, for example, in small amounts. Diabetics generally have to eliminate fruits, except for berries, so there's a category. Corn and potatoes need to be avoided, but that's not exactly a whole category.

Could you elaborate on what you had in mind? It's an important topic, so -- you have my ear.
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