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So your solution to the environmental problem is eliminating animal foods from the diet?
Also, Did you know that the vegan lifestyle that you promote kills far more animals (insects, rodents, mice, and birds) than eating cows. Is a mouse or rodent life not equivalent to a cow's life?
I would also argue that veganism is not healthier alternatives to other diets. MANY people will go protein deficient on a vegan/vegetarian diet
Also, another problem is leucine’s concentration, an essential amino acid necessary for anabolic signaling and muscle growth, is quite low in plant proteins Compared to every other plant protein. beef is higher in every single amino acid (such as white beans, soybeans, peas, and rice. One exception: Tryptophan is higher in soybeans than beef
Bottom Line: You can undoubtedly meet your amino acid needs with plant proteins, you just need to eat a TON (or supplement with protein powder)
Humans need heme iron as well, only found in animal foods.
Humans need heme iron as well, only found in animal foods.
Not a bit accurate, I'm afraid. Lots of people have since infancy never eaten any blood products, are perfectly healthy, and look gorgeous. Clean bodies smell nice, too, as opposed to those that consume carcasses and animal products. Lots of legitimate studies from top tier universities, published in peer reviewed journals substantiate the fact that vegans live longer, healthier lives.
Not a bit accurate, I'm afraid. Lots of people have since infancy never eaten any blood products, are perfectly healthy, and look gorgeous. Clean bodies smell nice, too, as opposed to those that consume carcasses and animal products. Lots of legitimate studies from top tier universities, published in peer reviewed journals substantiate the fact that vegans live longer, healthier lives.
All those studies will tell you that without supplementation a vegan diet is not a healthy diet.
And there you go with your hyperbole - injecting your beliefs onto an argument that is about diet.
All those studies will tell you that without supplementation a vegan diet is not a healthy diet.
And there you go with your hyperbole - injecting your beliefs onto an argument that is about diet.
Right: vegans have to take B12. And not every day but every 4-6 weeks. Is this a big surprise to anyone? It's more like common knowledge. I know because . .oh, well. You don't want to hear that. And you, of course, speak for the thousands of folks who read this forum.
All those studies will tell you that without supplementation a vegan diet is not a healthy diet.
And there you go with your hyperbole - injecting your beliefs onto an argument that is about diet.
Speaking of hyperbole....
Would you care to link to some of those studies that state categorically and unequivocally that a Vegan diet is unhealthy without supplementation. I'm aware that studies recommend supplements and/or fortified foods to make it easier to ensure that one is getting sufficient amounts of all requisite nutrients, but not studies that categorically state that a Vegan diet is unhealthy on it's own if one doesn't do so. (Although I'm sure that there may be some out there that purport to claim that.)
On second thought, don't bother researching that. Let's just stipulate that you're correct and that Vegans need to take a pill or pills to be healthy. Is that really too much to ask in order to reduce the amount of animal suffering in the world?
I don't know about you, but I would gladly take a vitamin or mineral supplement with my meal if it meant that even one less animal was tortured or killed that day.
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Right: vegans have to take B12. And not every day but every 4-6 weeks. Is this a big surprise to anyone? It's more like common knowledge. I know because . .oh, well. You don't want to hear that. And you, of course, speak for the thousands of folks who read this forum.
Interestingly, even many meat eaters should take a B12 supplement because studies have shown that roughly 40% of the population is deficient or in the low normal range.
Also, the only reason that meat eaters are getting much B12 from animals in the first place is because most cattle are given B12 as a supplement to increase the B12 in their system. In fact, I've read that 90% of all B12 supplements are given to cattle.
So I'm not really sure why meat eaters single out Vegans about B12. Vegans can easily get a sufficient amount by taking a pill (or a periodic injection) and meat eaters get theirs by eating the flesh of animals who have been given B12 supplements. EIther way, supplementation is involved; it's just that Vegans are cutting out the middleman (or the middle animal, as the case may be ).
Would you care to link to some of those studies that state categorically and unequivocally that a Vegan diet is unhealthy without supplementation. I'm aware that studies recommend supplements and/or fortified foods to make it easier to ensure that one is getting sufficient amounts of all requisite nutrients, but not studies that categorically state that a Vegan diet is unhealthy on it's own if one doesn't do so. (Although I'm sure that there may be some out there that purport to claim that.)
On second thought, don't bother researching that. Let's just stipulate that you're correct and that Vegans need to take a pill or pills to be healthy. Is that really too much to ask in order to reduce the amount of animal suffering in the world?
I don't know about you, but I would gladly take a vitamin or mineral supplement with my meal if it meant that even one less animal was tortured or killed that day.
Interestingly, even many meat eaters should take a B12 supplement because studies have shown that roughly 40% of the population is deficient or in the low normal range.
Also, the only reason that meat eaters are getting much B12 from animals in the first place is because most cattle are given B12 as a supplement to increase the B12 in their system. In fact, I've read that 90% of all B12 supplements are given to cattle.
So I'm not really sure why meat eaters single out Vegans about B12. Vegans can easily get a sufficient amount by taking a pill (or a periodic injection) and meat eaters get theirs by eating the flesh of animals who have been given B12 supplements. EIther way, supplementation is involved; it's just that Vegans are cutting out the middleman (or the middle animal, as the case may be ).
Not hyperbole at all. My daughter is a vegan, my good friend has been a vegan for over 30 years, and I managed 6 months as a vegan. The recurring theme is getting B12.
I know there are people with opinions think that is BS. Sounds like you are one of them. It is no skin off my nose if you choose not to supplement. But people who are wanting to try going vegan should be aware of the science.
Not a bit accurate, I'm afraid. Lots of people have since infancy never eaten any blood products, are perfectly healthy, and look gorgeous. Clean bodies smell nice, too, as opposed to those that consume carcasses and animal products. Lots of legitimate studies from top tier universities, published in peer reviewed journals substantiate the fact that vegans live longer, healthier lives.
Actually Gypsychic is correct, the scientific evidence shows that vegans/vegetarians are short on iron.
I would not feel comfortable clicking on links from an unknown source, but take care these studies or this research is not sponsored by the meat and dairy industries. This is generally the case in this high stakes game where billions of agra-dollars are at stake. These industries will do anything to keep the dollars rolling in, not excluding blatantly misleading the public.
Public health is not their underlying objective, despite what they want the public to think.
Would you care to link to some of those studies that state categorically and unequivocally that a Vegan diet is unhealthy without supplementation. I'm aware that studies recommend supplements and/or fortified foods to make it easier to ensure that one is getting sufficient amounts of all requisite nutrients, but not studies that categorically state that a Vegan diet is unhealthy on it's own if one doesn't do so. (Although I'm sure that there may be some out there that purport to claim that.)
On second thought, don't bother researching that. Let's just stipulate that you're correct and that Vegans need to take a pill or pills to be healthy. Is that really too much to ask in order to reduce the amount of animal suffering in the world?
I don't know about you, but I would gladly take a vitamin or mineral supplement with my meal if it meant that even one less animal was tortured or killed that day.
Interestingly, even many meat eaters should take a B12 supplement because studies have shown that roughly 40% of the population is deficient or in the low normal range.
Also, the only reason that meat eaters are getting much B12 from animals in the first place is because most cattle are given B12 as a supplement to increase the B12 in their system. In fact, I've read that 90% of all B12 supplements are given to cattle.
So I'm not really sure why meat eaters single out Vegans about B12. Vegans can easily get a sufficient amount by taking a pill (or a periodic injection) and meat eaters get theirs by eating the flesh of animals who have been given B12 supplements. EIther way, supplementation is involved; it's just that Vegans are cutting out the middleman (or the middle animal, as the case may be ).
Just about the only reason cattle would need a B12 supplement is if their diet is lacking in cobalt. Cattle are ruminants and have the ability to convert dietary-cobalt, in-vivo, into B12. Ruminants can also efficiently absorb the B12 that their body has produced.
Humans do a very poor job of converting dietary-cobalt into B12...............and the B12 that they produce is in an area where nearly none of it is absorbed into the body.
Fish, eggs, beef and offal are loaded with B12. So, if a meat-eater is deficient in B12, they must be eating a pretty poor diet or they have serious absorption issues.
I would not feel comfortable clicking on links from an unknown source,
. These are links to Pubmed, a free search engine accessing primarily the MEDLINE database of references and abstracts on life sciences and biomedical topics. These are not unknown links.
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but take care these studies or this research is not sponsored by the meat and dairy industries. This is generally the case in this high stakes game where billions of agra-dollars are at stake. These industries will do anything to keep the dollars rolling in, not excluding blatantly misleading the public.
Public health is not their underlying objective, despite what they want the public to think.
You are dismissing research without even clicking on the links?
If you’re willing to dismiss research on the grounds of funding source (a bias on its own), then you’d have to be consistent & dismiss most diet/nutrition research in existence, including any beloved reviews/studies that support your own opinions: https://www.nature.com/articles/ijo201432
The scientific evidence I posted is not saying that being vegan/vegetarian is unhealthy. It’s simply showing that vegans can be deficient in iron.
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