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Old 01-15-2024, 08:01 AM
 
Location: The Bubble, Florida
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Somewhere in this thread I've posted, but at 11 pages I just don't feel like checking to see what I posted.

So here's another post with my views on pizza:

Pizza is best New York/New Haven/Boston/New Jersey style, with bacon.

Alternatively, New Haven pizza with cheese, clams, and garlic, oregano and a drizzle of olive oil, no sauce. (aka white clam pizza).

If one absolutely must have pizza in an area where none of these options exist, and the supermarket is the optimal source, I'd go with a DiGiorno's 4-cheese. Begrudgingly. It is tolerable.
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Old 01-15-2024, 02:45 PM
 
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I guarantee you, if you eat thousands of calories of just cheese or meat, you won't lose weight.
You would be constipated.
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Old 01-15-2024, 03:00 PM
 
Location: U..S..A
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White cheese pizza made with Ricotta, fresh garlic and basil. Bonus points for mushrooms (ummm...I'm thinking....porcini or truffle).
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Old 01-16-2024, 01:48 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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Do show the studies that prove your assertions. Many studies have tried to prove it, only to discover it doesn't work except in very short term. After a few weeks, your body reacts to the reduced calories and slows your metabolism.

In the natural environment in which humans evolved, where finding food can be hard, losing weight can kill you. So our bodies are sensitive to a drop in calories, and use them more efficiently by reducing metabolism.
I've lost almost 70lbs over the last year (steadily 3-5lbs a month) mostly thanks to using the "CICO" method. I don't even track my calories strictly, I just made reductions and substitutions for lower-calorie & lower-sugar food items. But for the most part, I still eat what I want - including PIZZA, fried chicken, even the occasional sugary treat like cookies or ice cream. So that's really all the proof I need! Certainly didn't stop working after a few weeks, as you're claiming.

But sure, I'll share any relevant articles I can dig up for you. Sorry, been distracted with more important matters since I last visited this thread.
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Old 01-16-2024, 01:52 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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I guarantee you, if you eat thousands of calories of just cheese or meat, you won't lose weight.
Not necessarily true. If those "thousands of calories" are still a reduction from your previous intake, and/or below your resting metabolic rates, then yes - you can lose weight on that "diet." Again, it's more about the caloric input vs output than WHAT you're eating. You might have GI upset, or heart problems after a time, but in terms of strict weight loss the source of those calories aren't as important. If I was a 350lb man, who started a diet of 1200cal/day of strictly pizza, you don't think I would lose any weight?

As I mentioned, I've lost almost 70lbs over the last year by simply reducing calories and sugar. I still eat a fair amount of dairy + meat (poultry), and do pizza about once a week. I even have fried chicken sometimes.
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Old 01-16-2024, 02:03 PM
 
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No food is unhealthy in moderation.
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Old 01-16-2024, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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No food is unhealthy in moderation.
I must disagree.

Somehow my body has changed in the last ten years, today if I eat wheat, potatoes, or rice then I would need to start on diabetes drugs, and start the insulin-resistance dance.

Ten years ago, I was fine eating wheat, potatoes and rice. But not today.



Perhaps we should slide over to a discussion of 'moderation'. Is one slice of bread per week a reasonable limit? How about one-half slice of bread, does that fit within the context of 'moderation'?

When you say 'moderation'. I feel that most people would hear that and think they could eat one slice of pizza a week, and still be within reasonable moderation until they show up diabetic.
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Old 01-16-2024, 02:40 PM
 
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I must disagree.

Somehow my body has changed in the last ten years, today if I eat wheat, potatoes, or rice then I would need to start on diabetes drugs, and start the insulin-resistance dance.

Ten years ago, I was fine eating wheat, potatoes and rice. But not today.



Perhaps we should slide over to a discussion of 'moderation'. Is one slice of bread per week a reasonable limit? How about one-half slice of bread, does that fit within the context of 'moderation'?

When you say 'moderation'. I feel that most people would hear that and think they could eat one slice of pizza a week, and still be within reasonable moderation until they show up diabetic.
No. I won't debate moderation. That is like asking "how long is a piece of string?"

Nobody ever became diabetic because they had the odd slice of pizza. If they did, their health was crap for a laundry list of other reasons and I'm willing to bet they never sought out a gym membership.
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Old 01-16-2024, 02:52 PM
 
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oh pizza, the best food in theworld! who cares about calories and carbos!. So yummy!
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Old 01-16-2024, 03:04 PM
 
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The medium size pizza I ate last night, was for medicinal purposes.
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