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Old 01-02-2024, 09:43 AM
 
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Um, yeah, I said I was talking from a low carb viewpoint.
Fats and calories don't prevent weight loss when you're doing low carb.
I guarantee you, if you eat thousands of calories of just cheese or meat, you won't lose weight.
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Old 01-02-2024, 10:12 AM
 
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I guarantee you, if you eat thousands of calories of just cheese or meat, you won't lose weight.
You're catastrophizing.

And technically, two thousand calories of cheese and meat could be considered a normal caloric consumption. If you don't eat the carbs, too.

Since fat and protein are better than carbs at satisfying hunger long term, you're less likely to overeat by thousands of calories.

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Old 01-02-2024, 03:54 PM
 
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You're catastrophizing.

And technically, two thousand calories of cheese and meat could be considered a normal caloric consumption. If you don't eat the carbs, too.

Since fat and protein are better than carbs at satisfying hunger long term, you're less likely to overeat by thousands of calories.
If you're a 40 year old man, 6 foot tall, 165 lbs, and have the average activity level of an American male that age, then yes 2,000 calories is maintenance.
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Old 01-11-2024, 04:40 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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Um, yeah, I said I was talking from a low carb viewpoint.
Fats and calories don't prevent weight loss when you're doing low carb.
Haha what? That's... just not scientifically true. Do you think non-carb calories count less than carb calories?

Look up the concept of CICO: Calories in, Calories out. It doesn't really matter how you're getting those calories, if your only goal is losing weight.

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And technically, two thousand calories of cheese and meat could be considered a normal caloric consumption. If you don't eat the carbs, too.

Since fat and protein are better than carbs at satisfying hunger long term, you're less likely to overeat by thousands of calories.
That's not what you said initially. You said fats and calories don't prevent weight loss, which makes very little sense.
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Old 01-11-2024, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Haha what? That's... just not scientifically true. Do you think non-carb calories count less than carb calories?
It may help in the future if you were to attempt being slightly less insulting.

In my case, carbs and/or the absence of carbs make a HUGE difference. For some unknown reason, my body has decided to become diabetic. To avoid diabetes without the use of drugs that drive 'insulin resistance' I have had to learn to avoid potatoes, rice and wheat from my diet.

It is NOT all about calories.
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Old 01-11-2024, 05:21 PM
 
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Haha what? That's... just not scientifically true. Do you think non-carb calories count less than carb calories?

Look up the concept of CICO: Calories in, Calories out. It doesn't really matter how you're getting those calories, if your only goal is losing weight.



That's not what you said initially. You said fats and calories don't prevent weight loss, which makes very little sense.
Please share a legitimate study that "scientifically" proves calories in/calories out. That's a failed theory from the '70s that helped fuel the obesity epidemic.

People frequently say that on this forum, and think it proves something, to the point of demanding that others disprove it. If it's true, you should be able to provide credible evidence.

If you cut calories, your body slows your metabolism, so you don't use as much energy. Any weight loss is temporary, and weight is regained quickly.

And a calorie of sugar does not have the same effect on your body as a calorie of oil. They affect different systems and trigger different hormones. "You are what you eat" would be a better mantra.
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Old 01-11-2024, 08:44 PM
 
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It may help in the future if you were to attempt being slightly less insulting.
How was I insulting? What they said made no logical sense, so I laughed. Maybe they could attempt to make more sense next time. lol

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In my case, carbs and/or the absence of carbs make a HUGE difference. For some unknown reason, my body has decided to become diabetic. To avoid diabetes without the use of drugs that drive 'insulin resistance' I have had to learn to avoid potatoes, rice and wheat from my diet.

It is NOT all about calories.
In making those changes to your diet, did you also cut calories? Were you tracking calories before and after to compare?
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Old 01-11-2024, 08:51 PM
 
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Please share a legitimate study that "scientifically" proves calories in/calories out. That's a failed theory from the '70s that helped fuel the obesity epidemic.

People frequently say that on this forum, and think it proves something, to the point of demanding that others disprove it. If it's true, you should be able to provide credible evidence.

If you cut calories, your body slows your metabolism, so you don't use as much energy. Any weight loss is temporary, and weight is regained quickly.

And a calorie of sugar does not have the same effect on your body as a calorie of oil. They affect different systems and trigger different hormones. "You are what you eat" would be a better mantra.
I'm not talking about how different foods affect your health or satiety. I'm talking about literal caloric consumption vs output. Yes, what you eat can fill you up faster - thus affecting how many calories you consume. But barring metabolic disorders, if you reduce the total calories consumed (in any form) you will lose weight. That's what we're discussing here, right? Weight and health are two different discussions.

I'm at work right now, but will share some studies with you later.
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Old 01-11-2024, 11:33 PM
 
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I'm not talking about how different foods affect your health or satiety. I'm talking about literal caloric consumption vs output. Yes, what you eat can fill you up faster - thus affecting how many calories you consume. But barring metabolic disorders, if you reduce the total calories consumed (in any form) you will lose weight. That's what we're discussing here, right? Weight and health are two different discussions.

I'm at work right now, but will share some studies with you later.
Do show the studies that prove your assertions. Many studies have tried to prove it, only to discover it doesn't work except in very short term. After a few weeks, your body reacts to the reduced calories and slows your metabolism.

In the natural environment in which humans evolved, where finding food can be hard, losing weight can kill you. So our bodies are sensitive to a drop in calories, and use them more efficiently by reducing metabolism.
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Old 01-12-2024, 02:14 PM
 
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... In making those changes to your diet, did you also cut calories? Were you tracking calories before and after to compare?
I don't think my calorie intake has changed much, though I have never tracked it closely.

I have never been attracted by sweets. I have always avoided any foods with icing.

Since giving up wheat, potatoes, and rice, I have shifted to a lot more salads. Now days I eat mostly meat, fish, cheese and veggies.

All I was wanting to do was to lower my A1C, and it worked so I am okay.
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