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Old 02-13-2024, 06:22 AM
 
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I have a relative who literally lives on fast food, all of it delivered to him because he is disabled by obesity, chronic heart failure, chronic kidney disease, and a dose of mental illness. He does have a bag of frozen carrots in his freezer, it’s been chillin’ there since he moved five years ago.
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Old 02-13-2024, 09:20 AM
 
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I have a relative who literally lives on fast food, all of it delivered to him because he is disabled by obesity, chronic heart failure, chronic kidney disease, and a dose of mental illness. He does have a bag of frozen carrots in his freezer, it’s been chillin’ there since he moved five years ago.


Tell him to change it to a bag of frozen peas which can double as an ice pack. Carrots are too bumpy.
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Old 02-13-2024, 09:40 AM
 
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High quantities of non-fast food can be worse. Many foodies are gaining lots of weight and developing health problems or risks while eating so-called healthy foods.

The body needs breaks from processing food regardless of what it is, that's why fasting is so good for us.
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Old 02-13-2024, 11:45 AM
 
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High quantities of non-fast food can be worse. Many foodies are gaining lots of weight and developing health problems or risks while eating so-called healthy foods.
Not worse. This is something the military has discovered. In the past, prior to the current ultra-processed food environment, the military never worried about "fluffy" recruits. The services knew through decades of experience with hundreds of thousands of recruits that just a few weeks of controlled eating and lots of exercise would whittle down any otherwise-healthy 18-year-old to acceptable fighting weight.

That has changed. Today's overweight recruits do not respond to military basic training. They don't burn off the fat the way recruits used to burn it off.

"Why" is not within the military's authority to resolve, because that's clearly something happening before the recruits come to them. So, the military's response today is to refuse recruits who are not already within military weight standards.

Part of the reason is probably that recruits today become fat in early childhood so that it's "old fat" by the time they enter the military. Part of the reason is probably that ultra-processed foods have damaged the metabolism to a point beyond correction by a few weeks of controlled diet and exercise.

But the whole foods that people got fat on decades ago were less of a problem than the ultra-processed foods that are making people fat today.
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Old 02-13-2024, 12:07 PM
 
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High quantities of non-fast food can be worse. Many foodies are gaining lots of weight and developing health problems or risks while eating so-called healthy foods.

The body needs breaks from processing food regardless of what it is, that's why fasting is so good for us.
True. My wife and I went to a comedy show last week and after stopped at a 24 hour local restaurant late at night. I ordered beef tips and noodles and a salad. They served so many noodles and gravy that I was able to make it into 3 dinners. If anyone ate the entire serving in one sitting- more power to you. To make it even more ridiculous it came with a piece of buttered Texas toast.

Portion control and moderation..
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Old 02-13-2024, 12:19 PM
 
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Not worse. This is something the military has discovered. In the past, prior to the current ultra-processed food environment, the military never worried about "fluffy" recruits. The services knew through decades of experience with hundreds of thousands of recruits that just a few weeks of controlled eating and lots of exercise would whittle down any otherwise-healthy 18-year-old to acceptable fighting weight.

That has changed. Today's overweight recruits do not respond to military basic training. They don't burn off the fat the way recruits used to burn it off.

"Why" is not within the military's authority to resolve, because that's clearly something happening before the recruits come to them. So, the military's response today is to refuse recruits who are not already within military weight standards.

Part of the reason is probably that recruits today become fat in early childhood so that it's "old fat" by the time they enter the military. Part of the reason is probably that ultra-processed foods have damaged the metabolism to a point beyond correction by a few weeks of controlled diet and exercise.

But the whole foods that people got fat on decades ago were less of a problem than the ultra-processed foods that are making people fat today.
Damaged metabolism or not, there's still the laws of thermodynamics. If you burn more energy than you eat, in other words, if you eat 4,000 calories a day but burn 6000 calories a day, you will lose weight. Your body is forced to:
1. use up your sugar reserves in the liver obtained from starches and sugary foods
2. burn your fat reserves (metabolically converting them to usable sugar)
3. as a last resort, consume your muscle by converting it to sugar (starvation mode)

This is built in to our physiology which is immutable and based on hundreds of millions of years of evolution.

A few McD's or BK burgers is not going to change that, though it may weaken your system and make you feel lethargic when you are on a fat-burning regimen. That should be temporary, though.
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Old 02-13-2024, 12:46 PM
 
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This is built in to our physiology which is immutable and based on hundreds of millions of years of evolution.
Modern science says our bodies change according to what we eat as well as how much. Not really immutable.
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Old 02-13-2024, 02:15 PM
 
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This is built in to our physiology which is immutable and based on hundreds of millions of years of evolution.
The tendency toward homeostasis is also built into our physiology. And as well, the physiology can be damaged to the point that "calories in/calories out" doesn't work according to formula, and possibly not without further damage.
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Old 02-13-2024, 09:40 PM
 
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The tendency toward homeostasis is also built into our physiology. And as well, the physiology can be damaged to the point that "calories in/calories out" doesn't work according to formula, and possibly not without further damage.
Burning fat for energy is a pretty basic function of animals for a billion years. I doubt that a fast food diet could reprogram your body that drastically.

Also one needs to define what exactly constitutes fast food. The meat in a McDonald's hamburger is 100% beef, and a quarter pounder is cooked at order time. It's ground beef. Okay possibly there's some growth hormones or antibiotics or other chemicals in the cattle, so it's not totally natural meat, I'll grant you that. If you eat the bread (I mostly don't) you are getting some artificial stuff but no more artificial than, say, a commercially baked bread from the grocery store.
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Old 02-13-2024, 10:10 PM
 
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I have a relative who literally lives on fast food, all of it delivered to him because he is disabled by obesity, chronic heart failure, chronic kidney disease, and a dose of mental illness.
I'm sure that lifestyle is now far more common than you think, even among those with no such justifications. I'm curious, though; assuming your relative is officially disabled, do his benefits pay for the fast food delivery?
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