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Old 10-09-2010, 07:48 PM
 
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Basically the skill level in the lower middle class is too low for what is needed really. Screwdriver jobs are a third world skill now days ;which is what has really happened for decades.It really hasn't been any secret.The american middle class isn't disappearing but the welth between the lowest and richest certain is and just for that reason.Those that are dependent are bascially i the lower level and always will be no matter the amount their given.
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Old 10-09-2010, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest
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Basically the skill level in the lower middle class is too low for what is needed really. Screwdriver jobs are a third world skill now days ;which is what has really happened for decades.It really hasn't been any secret.The american middle class isn't disappearing but the welth between the lowest and richest certain is and just for that reason.Those that are dependent are bascially i the lower level and always will be no matter the amount their given.
Shuffling emails on Outlook isn't much higher skilled than screwing a screw. Most of the office cubicles jobs that the majority of college grads do today could just as easily be sent to the Third World, probably even easier than the tangible screwdriver jobs.

You're kidding yourself (thinking way too high of yourself) if you think Americans' skill deficit is exclusive to the lower and lower middle classes.

Most people, including the white collar middle class, are mediocre. This is just a fact of life.

I value far more a highly skilled craftsman or medical surgeon than some white collar paper pushing middle manager, even if they all make the same salary.
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Old 10-09-2010, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Most people, including the white collar middle class, are mediocre. This is just a fact of life.
The US was supposed to be in its 5th Economy about 12-15 years ago. If the US was, then about 25-35% of the GDP would be Research & Development and Engineering and Testing.

The US wouldn't need any manufacturing, since it would own the patents and licenses and all the stuff it developed (which would be manufactured off-shore by chimpanzees).
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Old 10-10-2010, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Near a river
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Shuffling emails on Outlook isn't much higher skilled than screwing a screw. Most of the office cubicles jobs that the majority of college grads do today could just as easily be sent to the Third World, probably even easier than the tangible screwdriver jobs.

You're kidding yourself (thinking way too high of yourself) if you think Americans' skill deficit is exclusive to the lower and lower middle classes.

Most people, including the white collar middle class, are mediocre. This is just a fact of life.

I value far more a highly skilled craftsman or medical surgeon than some white collar paper pushing middle manager, even if they all make the same salary.
Thank you! You beat me to it. Well said.
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Old 10-10-2010, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Near a river
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The US was supposed to be in its 5th Economy about 12-15 years ago. If the US was, then about 25-35% of the GDP would be Research & Development and Engineering and Testing.

The US wouldn't need any manufacturing, since it would own the patents and licenses and all the stuff it developed (which would be manufactured off-shore by chimpanzees).
True, but there go the jobs.
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Old 10-10-2010, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Yeah, think not. Middle class standard of living devastated? Absurd claim.

Devastated means to lay waste to or destroy. Linking to something saying spending is down 3.5% certainly won't convince me of devastation.
everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if wrong.
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Old 10-10-2010, 11:04 AM
 
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True, but there go the jobs.
Patents don't mean anything to China, they just copy and import via drop shipping.
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Old 10-10-2010, 11:37 AM
 
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If America has no manufacturing community where are the jobs to pay the wages to buy the stuff that made up the middle class??
There are over ten million people working in manufacturing community.

They are jobs besides manufacturing.
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Old 10-10-2010, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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Patents don't mean anything to China, they just copy and import via drop shipping.
Yes, beware your pharmaceuticals and toothpaste, etc. They copy (steal?) the product and put it out under an identical label and ship it to us...
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Old 10-10-2010, 08:25 PM
 
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Seriously - I can say without a doubt that most of what we used to spend on non-necessities (entertainment, eating out, etc.) now goes to our medical/dental/pharmaceuticals bills. And the price of energy - heating, electricity, gas/diesel.

These things alone will explain why we don't spend as much $$ in the stores - I am sure we are not the only Americans in this predicament.
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