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Old 10-12-2011, 06:39 AM
 
Location: San Diego California
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Do you buy products as strictly as possible to benefit the American worker regardless of prices? I really doubt it. You as a rational customer will buy the product that benefits your pocket and your home budget. That is what the entreprenour from the little convenience store to the big corporations do, look for the pockets also. Why should they be any different than you?
Have you ever made a comment at home on a product like "I got this really cheap!"? If you considered it cheap, why not then go back to the store owner and tell him you are giving him a few extra dollars to pay what you think is a fair price? Heck no! So why do you and many others expect the business owner or a corporation what YOU consider decent prices or wages? No, free market dictates that.
Do you know that many of the laws in counties across the states are designed to protect certain businesses at the expense of other people?
Whose fault is that? Is it not partly the fault of local elected leaders that approve many of those laws?
Check it out and see why many licencing laws out there had the ulterior motive to impede competition. What that does is simply hurt other people that are trying to make a living. Check out why taxi licences are so expensive in some big cities like I believe NY City.
People think in terms of big corporations. Guess what from small businesses people do try to stop others from making a living with the help of elected leaders and in the end the customer is the one that pays the price. Take care.
Like I said; your motives are clear.
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Old 10-25-2011, 12:20 AM
 
Location: Boston
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Its really a critical issue, it seems immigrants are snatching the jobs from local! One thing it always bother me that every where you go there are much more opportunities for immigrants while only few options are available for local people.
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Old 10-25-2011, 08:10 PM
 
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Default Cant get a job cause I don't speak spanish

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Its really a critical issue, it seems immigrants are snatching the jobs from local! One thing it always bother me that every where you go there are much more opportunities for immigrants while only few options are available for local people.
Yup and so many jobs are not available to me because I don't speak spanish.
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Old 10-25-2011, 08:20 PM
 
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Default Sorry off topic but my state of mind required I post it

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.
The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan"..
All grades would be averaged an...d everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A....
After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.
The second test average was a D! No one was happy.
When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.
As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.
All failed, to their great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.
Could not be any simpler than that. (Please pass this on)
Remember, there is a test coming up. The 2012 elections
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Old 10-25-2011, 08:26 PM
 
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There is some evidence that immigration helps the economy. Demand is created for homes, roads, schools, power plants. That creates jobs. They also use services, remember that is 90% of the jobs.
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Old 10-26-2011, 05:18 PM
 
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Default Demand for schools and roads do not help the economy

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There is some evidence that immigration helps the economy. Demand is created for homes, roads, schools, power plants. That creates jobs. They also use services, remember that is 90% of the jobs.
You have a very nice nonconfrontational way of speaking on a sensitive topic and it is wonderful.
While the increases to the demands you mention do occur through immigration, building roads and schools only cost tax dollars no matter how many jobs they create. With anything that is paid for by government funds no revenue is created, just debt and liability.
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Old 10-26-2011, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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A company that is connected to the company I work for recently ran all their employees thru e-verify, and as a result fired about 80 of them, all or almost all hispanic males. They had to hire a bunch of new people to replace them, and it turned out that most of the new hires were blacks and whites, almost all undoubtedly with US birth certificates.

It's tough for me to believe that with 9 percent unemployment that illegal immigration does not have an impact. Immigration made this country great of course, even from the colonial days one of the strengths of the country was diversity. But in a time of 9 pct. unemployment it seems like common sense to dial it back.

Unfortunately I doubt that it will happen because left-wing interests see them as votes, while corporate interests see them as cheap labor. Joe taxpayer is the odd man out.
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Old 10-27-2011, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Waterford & Sterling Heights, Michigan
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Its really a critical issue, it seems immigrants are snatching the jobs from local! One thing it always bother me that every where you go there are much more opportunities for immigrants while only few options are available for local people.

If there are too few opportunities for locals you are blaming it on the wrong people. The way I see it the illegal problem dwarfs in comparison to what I see is the real problem and the reason why the US economy is unable to create enough decent paying jobs.

The bigger problem here is the outsourcing and offshoring of jobs. The jobs typically performed by illegals are not and have NEVER been considered jobs that pay enough to provide a middle class living. Picking fruits and vegetables in a farm is not and has never been a middle class job, putting up dry wall and framing at a construction site is not and has never been a middle class job, packing meat at a meat packing plant is not and has never been a middle class job, cleaning rooms at a hotel is not and has never been a middle class job.

I have yet to see though how many engineers, scientist, accountants, manufacturing workers, drafters, IT professionals have lost their jobs to an illegal immigrant. Those are the middle class jobs we need and those are the jobs that are disappearing due to outsourcing.

So if you are unable to compete with an illegal you are in the wrong career anyway. But if you cannot get any other job and are unable (or don't have enough creativity) to give a shot to entrepreneurship you will have to deal with a low pay, that is the market. You cannot expect to be paid $20 an hour for cleaning toilets or picking fruits.
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