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Prosperity of future generations depends on the economic pie growing at a rate to keep up with the population growth. Clearly, the pie has stopped growing a sufficiently fast rate. Every year it gets harder to enter every occupation. As no new types of jobs are appearing, all we have is a competion over existing job types. At the same time the cost of living is increasing. Decreased home ownership, fewer people getting married, more barriers of entry into professions ... This is all indicative of the fact that we've ceased to be a nation that can provide a decent standard of living for the average person. All we're doing at this point is divying up the pie. It's an unpleasant atmosphere that I sense.
Prosperity of future generations depends on the economic pie growing at a rate to keep up with the population growth. Clearly, the pie has stopped growing a sufficiently fast rate. Every year it gets harder to enter every occupation. As no new types of jobs are appearing, all we have is a competion over existing job types. At the same time the cost of living is increasing. Decreased home ownership, fewer people getting married, more barriers of entry into professions ... This is all indicative of the fact that we've ceased to be a nation that can provide a decent standard of living for the average person. All we're doing at this point is divying up the pie. It's an unpleasant atmosphere that I sense.
In general, I agree. And don't listen to those modern day Malthusians like Mr. Rational et al. We have enough resources to have a good economy. We just have to learn to use them more efficiently. Humans are notoriously inefficient until they are forced to be otherwise.
I have no idea why this forum seems to attract the whiners of the world. That is too bad because coming here to exchange ideas and learn would be a whole lot more valuable.
There is no reason to try to refute what the whiners have to say. Logic has no part. Whining just seems to make some people feel less like losers. It is always better to have something or someone else to blame.
Someone who was not a whiner and a loser might instead come to this forum with questions about the new types of jobs that are opening up. I know of quite a few. I also know of quite a few careers were demand is becoming very high and there will be increasing and prolonged shortages of available employees.
Prosperity of future generations depends on the economic pie growing at a rate to keep up with the population growth. Clearly, the pie has stopped growing a sufficiently fast rate.
Per capita GDP in real terms is not going down, what are you smoking?
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Every year it gets harder to enter every occupation.
Uh, no.
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As no new types of jobs are appearing, all we have is a competion over existing job types.
Huh? New jobs are coming into being all the time as technology improves.
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At the same time the cost of living is increasing. Decreased home ownership, fewer people getting married,
Not necessarily a bad thing - single is better than trapped in a horrible marriage, and not owning a home is worse than owning one that drains all your money and makes you unable to afford anything else.
How do you know whether the added singles are those that would otherwise be happily married, or those that wouldn't? Similarly, how do you know the non-homeowners are those that would otherwise benefit from owning, rather than those that would hurt from it?
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more barriers of entry into professions ... This is all indicative of the fact that we've ceased to be a nation that can provide a decent standard of living for the average person. All we're doing at this point is divying up the pie. It's an unpleasant atmosphere that I sense.
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I have no idea why this forum seems to attract the whiners of the world. That is too bad because coming here to exchange ideas and learn would be a whole lot more valuable.
There is no reason to try to refute what the whiners have to say. Logic has no part. Whining just seems to make some people feel less like losers. It is always better to have something or someone else to blame.
Someone who was not a whiner and a loser might instead come to this forum with questions about the new types of jobs that are opening up. I know of quite a few. I also know of quite a few careers were demand is becoming very high and there will be increasing and prolonged shortages of available employees.
Yes, in fact I will name a few that didn't exist 10 years ago.
Many jobs related to Cloud computing.
Business Intelligence, with products such as Tableau and Jaspersoft plus many others
Developers of mobile applications (App developer).
Many kinds of consultants such as special education student advocate and generational consultants.
Many social media jobs, most companies now have a whole department for it or at least a "social media manager".
Electronics Recycling.
Many related to "Sustainability". Again, many companies will have a whole department for this.
Legal Marijuana farming, wholesale and retail (several states and growing, no pun intended).
The pie isn't the problem.
The number of forks poised over it is.
Well, yea. I think we've reached a point where, if nothing else changes, increasing the population will cause a reduction in the standard of living for the average person. Unless you're ok with being cooped up in highrise apartments like how people live in Asia.
Prosperity of future generations depends on the economic pie growing at a rate to keep up with the population growth. Clearly, the pie has stopped growing a sufficiently fast rate. Every year it gets harder to enter every occupation. As no new types of jobs are appearing, all we have is a competion over existing job types. At the same time the cost of living is increasing. Decreased home ownership, fewer people getting married, more barriers of entry into professions ... This is all indicative of the fact that we've ceased to be a nation that can provide a decent standard of living for the average person. All we're doing at this point is divying up the pie. It's an unpleasant atmosphere that I sense.
U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time There are several things leading to low growth. We are debt saturated. Personal debt is at 100% of GDP (aprox) Corporate debt is over 100% of GDP and government debt is closing in on 100% of GDP. The growth is in the top end and that part has grown to the point it is strangling the rest. A smaller number of people are getting more money instead of a larger number of people getting more jobs. At least in the US.
If you want to reverse this then you need everyone making stuff to be sold in the US to be paid US mini mum wage, and then the US minimum wage to go up over time. We need to drive inflation with wages instead of with debt for a bit. That is to restructure our debts. But everyone in the world more or less is in the same boat we are so they all need to inflated away part of the value of the debt.
I have no idea why this forum seems to attract the whiners of the world. That is too bad because coming here to exchange ideas and learn would be a whole lot more valuable.
There is no reason to try to refute what the whiners have to say. Logic has no part. Whining just seems to make some people feel less like losers. It is always better to have something or someone else to blame.
Someone who was not a whiner and a loser might instead come to this forum with questions about the new types of jobs that are opening up. I know of quite a few. I also know of quite a few careers were demand is becoming very high and there will be increasing and prolonged shortages of available employees.
I don't understand either when you look at flood of people not even speaking the language who flood into get jobs to survive. Liberals even make a point of pointing out that there are mnay jobs citizens will not take I their argument on illegal entry.
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