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Old 05-20-2015, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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Free markets should include competition from overseas.
Competition from overseas, and opening the borders are two different things.
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Old 05-20-2015, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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The industries themselves have gone to extremes to ensure they never have to fully compete. they create certifications, guilds , cartels, and whatever nonsense they can come up with to limit access and control prices.
It costs our country many billions of dollars through inefficiencies and reduced access.
It's good to find someone else who recognizes this problem and how much it costs us. All of us. It amazes me how few do.

I'm all for eliminating legally *required* licensing and replacing them with information.
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Old 05-21-2015, 08:18 AM
 
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Information? What is an independent certification if not a valuable bit of information? Where is the gain in allowing hacks an equal footing and expecting consumers to sort it all out? Is it supposed that thousands or millions of different consumers all have hours and hours available to sift through all this stuff in order to get to the bottom of things? What a giant waste of time and effort.
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Old 05-21-2015, 05:07 PM
 
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And I see families not taking an active role in educating their kids... all I see are bob and suzie cheering on billy and jane in the background while sitting in the bleachers and eating popcorn... What kind of family involvement is that? If a kid has a hard time in school, the parents should sit down, and work with their kids. Even if they don't know the material themself, they could encourage the kids to sit at the table and study. Then the parents can sit there and do their own thing AT THE TABLE. It makes it a habit for the kid to sit at the table and do homework if everyone is doing that. Current families instead tell the kid to go to their rooms and do the homework while the parents are watching tv.

Think you see a lot of "under educated" Americans? I see a lot of lazy parents and no matter how many chances those kids get, they just won't do better because they have no backbone to stick with anything hard if there isn't a trophy at the end of it. Look at the work place where people are starting to get trophies for good work instead of raises? Tell me how that works out for you? But a lot of people seem to want "recognition" with a wall decoration than actual money.

Besides automation is taking more jobs than any immigrant.
NOPE,

You don't see that at all. What you see are people, the rest is just you projecting , imaging the world in a fashion that allows you to pretend your successes are all due to your actions and that the failures of others is simply because they are not as good as you.

It is called bigotry. And you showing yours for all the world to see.
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Old 05-21-2015, 05:07 PM
 
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It's good to find someone else who recognizes this problem and how much it costs us. All of us. It amazes me how few do.

I'm all for eliminating legally *required* licensing and replacing them with information.

Occupational licensing has its pros and cons. Would you allow someone without certification to operate open heart surgery on you? What information can you attain other than certification to assure that he/she is competent?
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Old 05-21-2015, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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What information can you attain other than certification to assure that he/she is competent?
Standard info would be something like a history of their education and qualifications (licenses, etc), all the procedures or jobs they've performed and the outcome, reviews by customers (anonymous or otherwise), cost scale, etc. Anything else you can think of?

This would be required public info for anyone practicing a profession, be it hair dressing or brain surgery, with hefty fines for fraud.
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Old 05-21-2015, 05:28 PM
 
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Standard info would be something like a history of their education and qualifications (licenses, etc), all the procedures or jobs they've performed and the outcome, reviews by customers (anonymous or otherwise), cost scale, etc. Anything else you can think of?

This would be required public info for anyone practicing a profession, be it hair dressing or brain surgery, with hefty fines for fraud.
So you're saying government shouldn't have a role in any of this?
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Old 05-21-2015, 07:12 PM
 
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So you're saying government shouldn't have a role in any of this?
It doesn't necessarily matter whether the government or some private trade board or council does the certification. The advantages that government would have are longevity and the fact that you can appeal to it.
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Old 05-21-2015, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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So you're saying government shouldn't have a role in any of this?
Someone has to enforce the law, just like all the other laws.
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Old 05-22-2015, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Richmond VA
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You must not have been around the home construction business lately if you believe the title of this thread.
Why are all the guys standing on the curb beside Lowe's every morning Latinos? If Americans want those jobs, why aren't they standing out there?

There is a difference between having your job taken away and giving it up.
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