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Let me laugh......ha ha ha. Covid vaccine drugs may take years to study and see if there are long term effects and they may not work on everyone. So far such drugs don't have a great record. We need solid science (like what are the long term side effect, does it work on all the strains, what is the survivability numbers, does it mask the symptoms or actually lowers the viral load, etc.)
What is needed is drugs that can help current Covid patients. As usual the US government is blowing billions financing the riskiest and most unlikely vaccine ideas that should take years in development and testing rather than treatments in the near term.
Good Luck!
And there are just such treatments closer on the medical horizon. That being monoclonal antibodies. And they will start to emerge soon for clinical use. The AB's are man made and essentially copies of what nature does in our bodies while fighting infections.
It is true that long term proof of safety cannot be done for the AB's or the vaccines, as we have too many people at serious risk. So the general younger and healthier public can wait quite some time before getting these new vaccines. In fact they will have to wait until millions of HC workers, nursing home patients, and other seniors and those with pre-existing get first dibs.
And there are just such treatments closer on the medical horizon. That being monoclonal antibodies. And they will start to emerge soon for clinical use. The AB's are man made and essentially copies of what nature does in our bodies while fighting infections.
It is true that long term proof of safety cannot be done for the AB's or the vaccines, as we have too many people at serious risk. So the general younger and healthier public can wait quite some time before getting these new vaccines. In fact they will have to wait until millions of HC workers, nursing home patients, and other seniors and those with pre-existing get first dibs.
I'm 56 in great shape etc. The first day I am able to take a CV-19 vaccine I will. I've lived a great life and taking a little risk to help the young people in my life is a tiny price to pay.
I love that guy's line, "so far vaccines don't have a great track record." Hmmmm, polio, tetanus, diphtheria, measles, chickenpox, mumps and of course smallpox and others. I'll leave flu out because it's too tough to explain to medical flat-earthers why flu vaccines have been very helpful to humanity.
Between October 1, 2019 and April 4, 2020, according to the CDC, the flu has resulted in:
39 million to 56 million illnesses
410,000 to 740,000 hospitalizations
24,000 to 62,000 total deaths
169 pediatric deaths
Changes to our economy? People are going to milk this situation for every dime they can get out of the u.s. government. I don't blame 'em, it is after all their tax dollars, however, the government had already spent their tax dollars decades ago, and so what they are getting are i.o.u.s
30% of the brick and mortar stores were already closing due to Amazon and the like, plus with all the self-check out in the remaining --- people were losing their jobs in retail, along with food service and call centers anyway ... the industry not already affected was that of Entertainment, they are now thrown into the mix.
u.s. maintaining sovereignty as the u.s. debt continues to climb, as this crisis continues to consume, should be a concern, imo, but I guess I am alone in that.
Between October 1, 2019 and April 4, 2020, according to the CDC, the flu has resulted in:
39 million to 56 million illnesses
410,000 to 740,000 hospitalizations
24,000 to 62,000 total deaths
169 pediatric deaths
Changes to our economy? People are going to milk this situation for every dime they can get out of the u.s. government. I don't blame 'em, it is after all their tax dollars, however, the government had already spent their tax dollars decades ago, and so what they are getting are i.o.u.s
30% of the brick and mortar stores were already closing due to Amazon and the like, plus with all the self-check out in the remaining --- people were losing their jobs in retail, along with food service and call centers anyway ... the industry not already affected was that of Entertainment, they are now thrown into the mix.
u.s. maintaining sovereignty as the u.s. debt continues to climb, as this crisis continues to consume, should be a concern, imo, but I guess I am alone in that.
I've had the flu and I can go get to the doctor and get a prescription for a drug to lessen the symptoms and duration. Comparing COVID to flu just shows ignorance.
I've had the flu and I can go get to the doctor and get a prescription for a drug to lessen the symptoms and duration. Comparing COVID to flu just shows ignorance.
Maybe we need to repeat now and again that the 'flu' is not necessarily Influenza. There are stomach and respiratory 'flus'. And then there is Influenza mainly respiratory, which can be much more serious. Tamiflu may be helpful if taken early.
Covid 19 is worse than current Influenza since people all over the world don't have much built in resistance or immunity. And of course we have no vaccine yet. We will get there.
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Covid 19 is worse than current Influenza since people all over the world don't have much built in resistance or immunity. And of course we have no vaccine yet. We will get there.
Not in the lifetime of some that are reading this thread. Maybe 20% or so will croak from some issue before we (USA) has an accessible Covid 19 vaccine.. Are you sure you are in the 80%? No, none of us are
But if we were to be waiting in one of the many countries who have done MUCH better, 90+% will survive until a vaccine, and their governments may make sure they get an initial dose before the rationed shipments depart to USA
Not in the lifetime of some that are reading this thread. Maybe 20% or so will croak from some issue before we (USA) has an accessible Covid 19 vaccine.. Are you sure you are in the 80%? No, none of us are
But if we were to be waiting in one of the many countries who have done MUCH better, 90+% will survive until a vaccine, and their governments may make sure they get an initial dose before the rationed shipments depart to USA
I'm a recently retired internist, recovered covid 19 patient, and doc/caregiver to my wife. The most complicated of covid 19 patients. It is quite likely the world will have useful vaccines within a year. Possibly starting this calendar year. And monoclonal AB Rx's before that, very likely ending many of the Covid 19 death sentences before a vaccine takes charge. 100's of labs all over the world are working furiously towards these endpoints. I'm betting huge money on our, your, the USA's and the world's success.
This is how large companies can rip off taxpayers. Even if this vaccine is fast tracked, it will likely not last long and will not adapt to increasing amounts of various strains.
All we need right now is not a vaccine but a treatment that doesn't result in death.
Good Luck!
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