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Old 06-14-2021, 08:00 AM
 
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Please tell the strategic war gaming experts at the Pentagon that they are wrong.
The problem is more the State Department mentality of "diplomacy." No one wants to rock the boat. The path of least resistance is always taken unless someone like Trump or Truman (notice the names are the same for the first four letters) comes along. And the media does a nice job on them.

Frankly China needs to be confronted and stopped. They are not our friends, and never have been. Think the Boxer Rebellion, all the way back to 1898.
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Old 06-14-2021, 09:21 AM
 
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The problem is more the State Department mentality of "diplomacy." No one wants to rock the boat. The path of least resistance is always taken unless someone like Trump or Truman (notice the names are the same for the first four letters) comes along. And the media does a nice job on them.

Frankly China needs to be confronted and stopped. They are not our friends, and never have been. Think the Boxer Rebellion, all the way back to 1898.
Right, and some of that diplomatic inertia exists in China too. We are "frenemies" with China due to co-dependent trade relationships. While China could win a war over Taiwan it would come at great cost economically to both us and them.
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Old 06-14-2021, 09:24 AM
 
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Without knowing that is my instinct as well. It is very hard for an uneducated people to beat an educated people.

On the other hand, many point to the issue of the Thucydides trap, where lower income countries often, though not always result to warfare if they feel thy are being held down. I for one want to see China "trapped." As a 15 year old in 1972 I was excited about the idea of the world opening to China. Now, not so much. The experience has been a disaster.There's always the Israel option, or the nuclear tripwire. The U.S. should make it clear that any invasion of Taiwan would result in their incineration, and/or allow Taiwan to acquire nuclear weapons.
Exactly. It’s basic nuclear war gaming. If they invade aggressively, and the u.s uses nuclear weapons on that force, how do they respond? Do they attack a u.s military target? Are they prepared to escalate to a civilian target?

Are they prepared to lose a city or multiple cities for Taiwan or to respond to an attack where they were the clear aggressor? Maybe they cut their losses and realize they gambled and lost, and they aren’t prepared to pay the ultimate price?

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Old 06-14-2021, 09:30 AM
 
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Some troubling trends...

Of the great capitalist powers, England replaced the Dutch because they were larger demographically, the USA replaced the brits because of a larger population.
You view of causation is certainly, uh, different.
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Old 06-14-2021, 09:39 AM
 
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You view of causation is certainly, uh, different.
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Old 06-14-2021, 09:56 AM
 
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Please tell the strategic war gaming experts at the Pentagon that they are wrong.
He probably will. Just like he’s an expert on u.s gaap, all forms of investing (go 100% crypto “period” if under 25), oil, and pretty much any other topic he opines on.
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Old 06-14-2021, 03:09 PM
 
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China will never become self sufficient....
They are such a mess I could write an entire library of books on the topic!
And they'd all be wrong and not worth ten cents. The same thing was said about other Asian economies when the factories moved offshore from the US. The environmental problems showed up in Japan, Korea, and SE Asia, One could see the smog problems moving to the next destination for factories. Water pollution was rampant. People were buying insurance specifically for cancer.

It's just as silly claiming China of buying Australian raw materials below cost. They are pushing their weight around for geopolitical reasons, but that's certainly true of the other side as well.

China will try to solve their problems using internally manufactured products, much as Japan did. They've learned from recent history to avoid trade policies that make them vulnerable to attacks on their currency.
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Old 06-14-2021, 05:46 PM
 
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China will try to solve their problems using internally manufactured products, much as Japan did. They've learned from recent history to avoid trade policies that make them vulnerable to attacks on their currency.
China is still reliant on their exports. They can't satisfy just with domestic consumption. Westerners have 10x the purchasing power of the average Chinese consumer. An American on welfare consumes and uses more services than a working class Chinese citizen.

All of their money is being tied up in real estate that they can only lease for 75-100 years and can't even own.

They have zero discretionary income to spend on half of what they produce for export!

As far as their currency - You can wipe your dog's butt with the Yuan as it will be QE'd/inflated into oblivion. The dollar will soon only be a little better, you can wipe your own butt with it
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Old 06-14-2021, 11:50 PM
 
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There is a false belief today that China is dominant. They are decidedly not. I had to address people who believe they are winning.
I think your entire thread and the article is flawed. It is another FUD piece about China from the US centric POV. Americans are struggling, lack of opportunities, drowned in debt, and inflation of goods and services. True there is a large class warfare in China also but it is different than the US. They have much greater economic prosperity enjoyed by the fastest growing middle class and the working poor there have much greater buying power than the poor in America. The cost of living is much cheaper in China, even in the most expensive cities you can find affordable rent because there isn't so much regulation and people pay rent there are no squatters in China.

However someone is correct the age of the superpower is gone, there are no country that is a clear super power anymore because in a global economy. Every country is our neighbor.

America is the one that is hanging on a thread. We're the one that needs to start wars no other country. Because if we don't bully any country the dollar will no longer have any support then it's game over.

The US military cannot defeat any country right now without a nuke. We don't have the means and resources to go to war. You can't invade China without any resources, it's a complete joke we cannot manufacture sneakers or dishes let along trying to out produce China. The US military depends on Chinese factories to make parts for their equipment.

This is just the small problem, the major problem is the upcoming crypto currency. If all other countries stop caring about US dollar, it will mean nobody will care about buying our debts. You can keep printing trillions of $ and sending free money but without foreign countries buying up the debt eventually it will become catastrophic.

China doesn't need the US in the long run, they need us for intellectual property but once they have their own educated society. The US will be brushed aside.

Each year Chinese colleges graduate 250k engineers while the US has less than 20k engineers and over 200k Business grades looking to become managers. We have a huge labor shortage and a very lay generation of entitled young workers that all want to become managers in their 2nd year of professional work. It takes us 20 years to build 5 miles of train tracks while China builds 5 miles of track in just days.

We are the declining super power they are the rising super power.

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Old 06-15-2021, 03:08 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia (Center City)
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Relevant and interesting podcast on Apple and their business in China:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/14/p...a-privacy.html
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