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Old 08-02-2022, 07:57 AM
 
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Thread summary: “I had kids but didn’t want to raise them so I complain about paying someone else to raise them and that’s why I make $250k and am broke and ps life is unfair”
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Old 08-02-2022, 08:09 AM
 
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Thread summary: “I had kids but didn’t want to raise them so I complain about paying someone else to raise them and that’s why I make $250k and am broke and ps life is unfair”
Not quite. I think the sad fact is that in certain areas 250k doesn't go far if you have kids. A mortgage in a nice town with good schools and daycare takes a lot off your paycheck.

I do think some people must not be saving correctly or are taking too many extravagant vacations if they are truly living paycheck to paycheck...but the question is does saving money for retirement and putting money in just savings count? Because many people probably are living paycheck to paycheck after doing all those things.
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Old 08-02-2022, 08:13 AM
 
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The state of MA pays for women to have IVF treatments. Why is that ok? Why should someone else's need to give birth to a baby be on the taxpayers?

that one has actually bothered me for a while...most of the people in MA having IVF can well afford it...yet surprise it's free.

I don't think it's ok.
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Old 08-02-2022, 08:19 AM
 
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Well other countries do it and they make it work...

I am not on board with a year of maternity leave in the US for the record. I think maybe 6 months...but anymore should not be paid for by the US. I think if the company wants to offer it (and many can well afford it, that's on them) I think some places like Google and Netflix do offer it.

I just think charging 3k a month for daycare seems like so much money. Anyone is welcome to disagree with me but that is an exorbitant amount of money to leave your baby in the care of someone else while you go to work. not all women have the choice to not go to work...and plenty of women are paid well over 3k a month around here (as are their husbands) but many are NOT making that much and that is still what they're expected to pay regardless of what their income is.

It's just a case of the have's and the have nots I guess. My SIL said they paid more for daycare than they did for their mortgage. If that isn't something to think about then, I dont know what to tell ya. Not everyone is ok with the cost of things just because that's what they cost. It's not like a Ferrari...or a boat. It's something that people have no choice in paying for once they have the human being in their care.

Being able to afford it doesn't justify someone else taking it. If you don't like how much something costs, do something else. Do you think they had daycare 100 years ago? It's so expensive because of all the licensing, regulations, and litigation. What you make has nothing to do with what someone else needs to charge for a service they provide.
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Old 08-02-2022, 08:26 AM
 
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Being able to afford it doesn't justify someone else taking it. If you don't like how much something costs, do something else. Do you think they had daycare 100 years ago? It's so expensive because of all the licensing, regulations, and litigation. What you make has nothing to do with what someone else needs to charge for a service they provide.
It's hard to understand why in the state in MA IVF is free to couples who'd like to procreate. However if some poor woman gets pregnant by accident she has to shell out 3k a month for daycare.

I am more bothered by the free IVF than the cost of daycare.
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Old 08-02-2022, 08:28 AM
 
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Because daycare is so expensive yet people still have to go to work unless they have a highly paid spouse or a trust fund ?
Yes, daycare is expensive. But why should it be funded via insurance? Insurance is to insure against the risk of the unexpected - theft, fire, trauma, cancer, etc.

Daycare - like theft, fire, trauma, cancer -- is expensive, but it most certainly is not unexpected.

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Old 08-02-2022, 08:30 AM
 
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This educated girl/guy is choosing to ignore the reality of benefits to providing structured education for children. Educating children is in the best interest of the public at large and is a public good. It’s also a common good. Why not argue against k-12 or 1-12? What is the difference?
Topic is childcare, not education.
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Old 08-02-2022, 10:14 AM
 
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It's hard to understand why in the state in MA IVF is free to couples who'd like to procreate. However if some poor woman gets pregnant by accident she has to shell out 3k a month for daycare.

I am more bothered by the free IVF than the cost of daycare.

It's not fair. So eliminate the free IVF not subsidize the daycare.
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Old 08-02-2022, 10:19 AM
 
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Well other countries do it and they make it work...
Socialist countries.

You pay one way or another. High tax rates.
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Old 08-02-2022, 10:20 AM
 
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It's hard to understand why in the state in MA IVF is free to couples who'd like to procreate. However if some poor woman gets pregnant by accident she has to shell out 3k a month for daycare.

I am more bothered by the free IVF than the cost of daycare.
Pregnant by accident or negligence? Birth control is highly effective.
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