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Old 08-01-2022, 12:34 PM
 
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Paywall. ^^^

In Massachusetts, the average age of a first-time mother is 30. Education is cited as the key reason for delaying motherhood.

https://www.masslive.com/news/erry-2...ich-women.html
right because typically education gives more money which is needed to raise a child.
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Old 08-01-2022, 12:37 PM
 
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Daycare has always been expensive.

The average age for a first-time mother is 26. People who put off having children until their late 30s or early 40s do so for a variety of reasons. I doubt the cost of daycare is the primary consideration.
Has daycare always been expensive? Can you cite average cost vs income? If not I’d understand but I think a lot of people would understand the claim that cost vs % of income has gone up significantly of the last few decades
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Old 08-01-2022, 12:41 PM
 
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In Massachusetts, the average age of a first-time mother is 30. Education is cited as the key reason for delaying motherhood.

https://www.masslive.com/news/erry-2...ich-women.html
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right because typically education gives more money which is needed to raise a child.
Anna you gotta take a L here. msRB might have been slightly off on average age but knowingly on either side or not you walked right into a trap on the end issue. Women are delaying having children, are having less children and the main causes are education/cost and they both are intertwined. Delaying children to get an education is very often a earnings issue, having less children than historical averages falls into the same.

If you look at lower earning or extreme poverty scenarios they’d tend to have more children because it’s a route of survival, not daycare cost driving the reasoning
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Old 08-01-2022, 12:50 PM
 
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I never cited an average age. I have just seen the age of women having children go up significantly the past decade or so. Having a good income and savings seems to trump fertility declining at 35+. Lots of first time moms above 35 or even 40 these days.
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Old 08-01-2022, 01:13 PM
 
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Anna you gotta take a L here. msRB might have been slightly off on average age but knowingly on either side or not you walked right into a trap on the end issue. Women are delaying having children, are having less children and the main causes are education/cost and they both are intertwined. Delaying children to get an education is very often a earnings issue, having less children than historical averages falls into the same.

If you look at lower earning or extreme poverty scenarios they’d tend to have more children because it’s a route of survival, not daycare cost driving the reasoning

Her statement of people pushing off having children until their late 30s/early 40s is off by a decade. The average age of motherhood in Boston is 30 years old.

Anecdotally, I know lots of people who pushed off motherhood to pursue graduate and/or doctorate degrees. Many of my highly paid peers complained about the high cost of daycare twenty, twenty-five years ago. High-income areas tend to have high costs across the board.
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Old 08-01-2022, 01:21 PM
 
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Has daycare always been expensive? Can you cite average cost vs income? If not I’d understand but I think a lot of people would understand the claim that cost vs % of income has gone up significantly of the last few decades
Year 2000:

The High Cost of Child Care Puts Quality Care Out of Reach for Many Families

http://cdf.childrensdefense.org/site....pdf?docID=842
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Old 08-01-2022, 01:23 PM
 
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so what should a single mother getting paid $20 an hour in the Boston area do? Just stop working? leave her child home alone? find a babysitter who will do the job for less?
Move. You do what you have to do to support your family.
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Old 08-01-2022, 01:30 PM
 
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I don't think anyone thinks someone else should pay the costs...but I think some people get surprised when they find out what daycare costs...it's something that should be looked into before having a kid if that person needs to use daycare.

It would make sense to have public daycare or something like it.
The purpose of government is to purchase services that are "public goods" and to provide for things where it makes economic sense for the community to pay collectively and for the government to purchase. Examples range from national defense to safety of the food supply, local police and fire services, a judicial system, etc.

Daycare is nothing like that. Daycare is not a public good. It is much more economic for individual parents to purchase daycare than for the community to tax itself to purchase daycare services on behalf of the whole.

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Old 08-01-2022, 01:33 PM
 
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so what should a single mother getting paid $20 an hour in the Boston area do? Just stop working? leave her child home alone? find a babysitter who will do the job for less?

Send you the bill.
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Old 08-01-2022, 02:05 PM
 
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Her statement of people pushing off having children until their late 30s/early 40s is off by a decade. The average age of motherhood in Boston is 30 years old.
She actually said at least from what I say 26 year olds aren’t getting pregnant, if 30 is the avg no stain age she was correct

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Anecdotally, I know lots of people who pushed off motherhood to pursue graduate and/or doctorate degrees. Many of my highly paid peers complained about the high cost of daycare twenty, twenty-five years ago. High-income areas tend to have high costs across the board.
So the cost of kids does influence the age of which you have children and how many you have?
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