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Old 03-11-2024, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Sunnybrook Farm
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Two things and then one more I have learned in life, granted perhaps from interesting sources, that can't be put into one sentence.

1. "What could mess this up?"....

So, when I have a major project, I look at various steps and ask, "What could mess this up?",....
Yes, the question "how could this go wrong?" is a question mature people ask constantly, adolescents almost never.
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Old 03-11-2024, 12:56 PM
 
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11. Speak UP! Don't mumble at top speed while facing away from the person who asked you a question!
That's a good point, but I sometimes wonder if this is actually a learned behavior from how schools "teach." Just saw a headline out of the Chronical of Higher Ed (unfortunately the article is behind a paywall) that 62% of students "self sensor" what they say in class out of fear of the reaction they'll get. You become afraid to say anything.

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Yes, the question "how could this go wrong?" is a question mature people ask constantly, adolescents almost never.
"Hold my beer."

On a serious note, I'm not sure many adults ask that question before proceeding. Certainly after working a long career I've seen many management decisions where that question was pointedly NOT asked and the any concerns were mumbled as per above.
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Old 03-11-2024, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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....On a serious note, I'm not sure many adults ask that question before proceeding. Certainly after working a long career I've seen many management decisions where that question was pointedly NOT asked and the any concerns were mumbled as per above.
Ie, asking "what could go wrong"

And yet, when I submit a research proposal to Institutional Review Board, one of the questions I have to answer are the disadvantages, if potential, of my research (if approved).

Ie, while I am researching a new way to insert a strike team undetected, if successful, this may compel the enemy to develop new detection methods in areas that we don't look.

(my project wasn't that though a previous project, suggested but not researched, did propose something like that).

In any event, I spend a lot of time in my current job watching accident and disaster investigations because the nature of my job requires me to think often in a pessimist view. To see how "they" made errors and then train others not do so.
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Old 03-12-2024, 05:56 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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One thing might be "proper eating"......if we could trust the information we get for that decade from decade.
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Old 03-12-2024, 08:49 AM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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Ie, asking "what could go wrong"

... the nature of my job requires me to think often in a pessimist view. To see how "they" made errors and then train others not do so.
Much of that requires experiential time and exposure to the potential barriers and errors. (Not so easy to train youth), but... You could benefit students by reducing the intimidation and fear of 'asking'. It's not a crime to seek advice, (of which there is plenty).

Discerning the correct advice can be a valuable learning tool.

If each academic year had a series of 'write your own script' of a few life lessons each year, and how your choice served you, (vs different outcomes by differ choices) would help prepare for real life. Could be a long the lines of finance, health, career, friend, recreation, learning choices. No right answers, just different outcomes based on how the news, events, economy, society naturally changes each year. Allow students to choose their own countries for these annual scenarios to add a broad perspective. Many things that significantly affect our path and success, are not within our control, but... We must act and respond appropriately to succeed.

USA kids have been quite protected, and life does not assure that prescribed pathway.

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Old 03-12-2024, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Much of that requires experiential time and exposure to the potential barriers and errors. (Not so easy to train youth), but... You could benefit students by reducing the intimidation and fear of 'asking'. It's not a crime to seek advice, (of which there is plenty). Discerning the correct advice can be a valuable learning tool.
Comme ce, comme ca!

I was at a table top missile exercise, of two warship task groups opposing each other while operating in radio silence. I asked the question of do we put our anti missile system in automatic? The obvious answer is YES! IF WE HAVE A MISSILE COMING IN, HE KNOWS WHERE WE ARE!

But......what if he has worked out 2 or 3 possibles to where we are, can afford to waste a missile, and sends one down our axis. Will we give ourselves away when our counter measures start? Will we make enough noise to confirm his guesses?.........and from there, I was directed to find that answer about our counter measures and that answer is secret.

Where did I learn to ask such a question? From the novelization of Doctor Who, Warriors' Gate
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/2213990
where in the opening pages, the border patrol fakes the privateer into bolting by hitting them with a scanning and not a fire control radar beam.......they shake the bush.

So if anything, teach them to read. Not watch it in the movies, but to read the books.
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....If each academic year had a series of 'write your own script' of a few life lessons each year, and how your choice served you, (vs different outcomes by differ choices) would help prepare for real life. Could be a long the lines of finance, health, career, friend, recreation, learning choices. No right answers, just different outcomes based on how the news, events, economy, society naturally changes each year. Allow students to choose their own countries for these annual scenarios to add a broad perspective. Many things that significantly affect our path and success, are not within our control, but... We must act and respond appropriately to succeed.

USA kids have been quite protected, and life does not assure that prescribed pathway.
Here we have another issue and I am not sure which way to go on this one: specialist vs generalist.

Long story short, the specialist can afford (or thinks they can afford) to say, "I do only this and for other things, that's not my job!". The generalist on the other hand is cross trained in many things and may come from the world that if a particular job does not get done, you starve.

The way I see it, a specialist is a job of the city while a generalist is military and jobs that follow the seasons such as farming and fishing.

Maybe learning for life when one is young is too early to decide to either be a generalist or a specialist. What one might do instead, however, is teach how to solve problems by not pushing just one button but rather, multiple steps to reach the goal.

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Old 03-12-2024, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Much of that requires experiential time and exposure to the potential barriers and errors. (Not so easy to train youth), but... You could benefit students by reducing the intimidation and fear of 'asking'. It's not a crime to seek advice, (of which there is plenty).

Discerning the correct advice can be a valuable learning tool.

If each academic year had a series of 'write your own script' of a few life lessons each year, and how your choice served you, (vs different outcomes by differ choices) would help prepare for real life. Could be a long the lines of finance, health, career, friend, recreation, learning choices. No right answers, just different outcomes based on how the news, events, economy, society naturally changes each year. Allow students to choose their own countries for these annual scenarios to add a broad perspective. Many things that significantly affect our path and success, are not within our control, but... We must act and respond appropriately to succeed.

USA kids have been quite protected, and life does not assure that prescribed pathway.
"Not so easy to train youth". Perhaps we can just pull a farm kid who's cleaning horse stalls to do what's needed.
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Old 03-12-2024, 10:19 AM
 
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"Not so easy to train youth". Perhaps we can just pull a farm kid who's cleaning horse stalls to do what's needed.
sure,
Pick your preference (a very important Life Skill)

There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.

Isaac Asimov


The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.

Winston Churchill

Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.

Confucius

As always, needlessly promoting ignorance, does not equal a beneficial improvement to the education of American youth. But it is rampant (unfortunately for the success of students and their future).
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Old 03-12-2024, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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sure,
Pick your preference (a very important Life Skill)

There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.

Isaac Asimov


The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.

Winston Churchill

Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.

Confucius

As always, needlessly promoting ignorance, does not equal a beneficial improvement to the education of American youth. But it is rampant (unfortunately for the success of students and their future).
In case you don't know why I made the comment I did, feel free to private message me.
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Old 04-05-2024, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Eastern N.C.
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Statistics - the ability to see through data to get to the truth.
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