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Old 09-01-2011, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Well, just kidding about the "Shock" part. I think most people saw this coming.

Perry 44% Obama 41%; President Leads Other GOP Hopefuls - Rasmussen Reports™

What are your conclusions about this? Mine are:

* Badmouthing by the media seems to have a reverse effect, at least on the GOP candidates. When people were asking for Ron Paul to receive more coverage by the media, they should have specified negative coverage.

* People will continue to suspect Perry is the flavor of the month, and that's fine. Maybe it will turn out to be true, we'll see after the debates. But what does it say about the other GOP candidates, who seem to fall as Rick Perry's number goes up (none of the other GOP hopefuls even tie with the president in this poll)? It's got to be somewhat disconcerting that the others could so easily slide. Their support does not seem to be very solid.
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Old 09-01-2011, 10:56 PM
 
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Polls change weekly, daily actually and differ by a wide margin according to the poller. Romney was leading Obama just a few weeks ago with Perry tied or maybe a few points behind. On this one Romney is only 4 points behind Obama. The overall point to be made by these polls is that Obama is not going to do well whether it's Perry or Romney. He is the incumbent which should give him an edge...it doesn't.
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Old 09-02-2011, 12:23 AM
 
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What it boils down to is Obama is finished barring some miraculous (for dems) change of events or massive cheating from the dems (something we've come to expect). However, I don't think they have a chance no matter how much they try to steal another election - Obama is becoming the dems ugly stepchild and they are beginning their exodus from him. They know they made a mistake with him vs. an experienced and qualified pol (which ain't Hillary BTW).
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Old 09-02-2011, 06:44 AM
 
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Too early (still a useful gage) and remember, one wins state-by-state and national polls have lesser meaning. Plus, Perry has to win Florida. Try selling his "SS is a ponzi scheme" comment there....I suspect, in the upcoming debates, even some R candidates may decide to hammer him on that.

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Old 09-02-2011, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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As always, you have to love Rasmussen, which certainly is good at creating attention-grabbing headlines (to say nothing of throwing percentages around like manhole covers).

Read a little further into the article. They only questioned "1,000 likely voters." Not proven voters, just people who insist they're likely to vote. Are you sure you want to take a Rasmussen poll seriously? (Well, that is, you do if you're a Percentage Quoting Junkie).
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Old 09-02-2011, 07:01 AM
 
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its a rasmussen poll so i dont even look at it to begin with.
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Old 09-02-2011, 08:32 AM
 
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Well, just kidding about the "Shock" part. I think most people saw this coming.

Perry 44% Obama 41%; President Leads Other GOP Hopefuls - Rasmussen Reports™

What are your conclusions about this? Mine are:

* Badmouthing by the media seems to have a reverse effect, at least on the GOP candidates. When people were asking for Ron Paul to receive more coverage by the media, they should have specified negative coverage.

* People will continue to suspect Perry is the flavor of the month, and that's fine. Maybe it will turn out to be true, we'll see after the debates. But what does it say about the other GOP candidates, who seem to fall as Rick Perry's number goes up (none of the other GOP hopefuls even tie with the president in this poll)? It's got to be somewhat disconcerting that the others could so easily slide. Their support does not seem to be very solid.
The conservative pollsters have a +/- of 3 percent so it could be a dead heat. Not surprising. The country does not know who Perry is yet. All most of the country knows is that he is a good looking man who wears nice suits. Everyone already knows Obama. Anything bad has been sifted over in fine detail. Wait to the Country gets to know the Pink Cowboy. He is going to fall like a rock.
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Old 09-02-2011, 09:40 AM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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The conservative pollsters have a +/- of 3 percent so it could be a dead heat. Not surprising. The country does not know who Perry is yet. All most of the country knows is that he is a good looking man who wears nice suits. Everyone already knows Obama. Anything bad has been sifted over in fine detail. Wait til the Country gets to know the Pink Cowboy. He is going to fall like a rock.
"Pink Cowboy" indeed! Yes, watch when he starts getting some national scrutiny, and just like Idaho's Senator Larry Craig, Perry will prove to be yet another self-loathing, closet homosexual, masquerading as an anti-gay Christian conservative.

Is Rick Perry gay? Rumors haunt potential presidential bid
"Ask any high-end hairdresser in Austin if the rumors are "false and misleading."
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Old 09-02-2011, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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As always, you have to love Rasmussen, which certainly is good at creating attention-grabbing headlines (to say nothing of throwing percentages around like manhole covers).

Read a little further into the article. They only questioned "1,000 likely voters." Not proven voters, just people who insist they're likely to vote. Are you sure you want to take a Rasmussen poll seriously? (Well, that is, you do if you're a Percentage Quoting Junkie).
1000 likely voters nationally is actually a very good statistical sample.

A bad statistical sample is something like this poll:
Insiders: GOP Would Be Better Off With Romney for 2012 - Hotline On Call

Which included only 91 Republican respondents. And they were all political "insiders", many geographically grouped in Washington DC (their names are public, too). It's an interesting opinion poll, but it's one that doesn't really measure any "population" like.
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Old 09-02-2011, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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"Pink Cowboy" indeed! Yes, watch when he starts getting some national scrutiny, and just like Idaho's Senator Larry Craig, Perry will prove to be yet another self-loathing, closet homosexual, masquerading as an anti-gay Christian conservative.

Is Rick Perry gay? Rumors haunt potential presidential bid
"Ask any high-end hairdresser in Austin if the rumors are "false and misleading."
I love you location: to the left is certainly correct. I doubt many who would even be mildly open to supporting Perry or any Republican will pay much attention to what is published in a slanted publication like the Examiner. I might be inclined to listen a little more closely to the rumors but if no one has been able to come up with any proof after almost a decade, I can't take the claim too seriously nor can most open minded, intellingent people. Oh and I am sure we all pay close attention to what high-end hair dressers or even low end ones have to say. These rumors are about as far fetched as the ones relating to where Obama was born.

Nita
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