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3 term gov, whoop de do, that gets him Texas, and other solidly red states. Its the swing ones that make or break. JM carried almost all normal red ones. When will Jm be sworn in?
Its just numbers, BO won indys by 8, and they were 40% of vote. That equals 3.2 percent net effect. He won the election with a plurality of 8 percent. Dems who voted for him (%) was about the same as GOP. GOP turnout percentage of their registered was HIGHER, but Dem overwhelming outnumbering them equaled most of the other 4.8 percentage points.
GOP to win MUST win independents by most likely 5 plus points.
You really think Hilary didn't excite the lefty base??? They loved her before Obama came along. She led the polling for a long time. The black and youth vote is what put Obama in.
Truthfully, HC would have beaten anyone except BO and BC in my lifetime in the primaries. That includes Kennedy and Carter 1980 if she had been old enough.
You really think Hilary didn't excite the lefty base??? They loved her before Obama came along. She led the polling for a long time. The black and youth vote is what put Obama in.
No, I don't really think she excited the lefty base. That's why they jumped ship as soon as a more ideologically attractive candidate came along.
You really think Hilary didn't excite the lefty base??? They loved her before Obama came along. She led the polling for a long time. The black and youth vote is what put Obama in.
The Chicago Union powerhouses played a major role in pushing Obama ahead. I'm not anti-union, but I sure am anti-bureaucrats that play their own people for political gains. Which is fine if you agree with the Hoffas, but if you don't, you are in a world of hurt in some of these organizations.
I think it's the other way around. Obama needs independents, all of them, to win. Paul attracts mostly independents. If we assume the GOP nominee gets the conservative vote, and Paul splits the independents with Obama, it's like Nader in 2004.
Plus Ron Paul voters have told us (in polls) they'd vote for Obama rather than the likely GOP nominee. And a lot of them are young people, so that makes sense. it seems like their fight primarily against the other GOP candidates, not so much with the president.
What polls are you referring to?
If it isn't Paul on the GOP ticket I'm most likely voting Libertarian. There is zero chance of me voting for either Obama, Romney, Bachmann, Hunstman, Gingrich, Santorum, Johnson, Cain, or Perry. None of those candidates represent the values that are important for me in a President.
The Chicago Union powerhouses played a major role in pushing Obama ahead. I'm not anti-union, but I sure am anti-bureaucrats that play their own people for political gains. Which is fine if you agree with the Hoffas, but if you don't, you are in a world of hurt in some of these organizations.
He definitely had a lot of push, probably from some places we don't even want to think about.
3 term gov, whoop de do, that gets him Texas, and other solidly red states. Its the swing ones that make or break. JM carried almost all normal red ones. When will Jm be sworn in?
Well, we were talking nominees here, right? This is still the GOP debate thread, right? I thought the point DrJoey was making (and you were agreeing with) was about Hillary, Dean and Guiliani not getting the nomination. Are you already conceding that to Perry and jumping to the general election?
Anyway, if you do want to jump to the general -- I do understand what you are saying about the swing states. But they went a different way in 2000 and 2004, obviously. So we don't call them swing states for nothing. Still plenty of time before then.
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