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View Poll Results: Poll for new Texans from California- 2008 Election
Barack Obama 12 60.00%
John McCain 7 35.00%
Didn't Vote 1 5.00%
Voters: 20. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-14-2012, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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I voted for Obama, but there's no way I'd do it again now.

I essentially voted for him for two reasons:

First, I thought out of all the candidates, that Mitt Romney was probably the best candidate because my number one priority is reeling in the out of control spending, and putting someone in office that actually understands economics in a working way - not law. The office is called the Executive Branch of our federal government - not the Legislative Branch. I wanted someone who knew about running things from an executive perspective, not a legal one. He (Romney) didn't make it too far last time to vote for him in the primary, so I choose Obama which segway's into reason #2.

I wanted to get a black president out of the way. I'm tired of hearing all these "firsts" with women, with blacks, with whatever. I figured by getting a black president into office, we can wipe it off the country's "bucket list". And, I thought, one of two things will happen: 1) he will be a good president, get two terms, and we all benefit as a nation; or, 2) he will suck, get one term, and hopefully Romney would run again (for the reasons stated in the paragraph above).

I had no idea he would be as incompetent and irrelevant as he has been. In my opinion, he has been one of the worst presidents in our history (for my personal reasons), and I wouldn't vote again for him if he was running against PeeWee Herman. But, what has happened has worked as I hoped it would - his incompetence has opened the door for Romney who has a shot at president.

My only fear is that Romney could choose not to put forth the effort to fix the economy, and then I have little-to-no hope for the future of our country.
With comments like these, no wonder your hopes and dreams are so limited. Now, as a Texan, do I care? Absolutely not! These last 4 years have been wonderful for me. People talk about Obama the man they don't know, but his administration you hear crickets...and that's the President's real job. The Republicans have not worked with the President since the stimulus in 2008. They stopped even trying to govern. Even Republican Senate Minority leader Mitch McConnell said his #1`goal was defeating President Obama - he said this in 2009!

The Republicans are busted and have only the big money donor$ the Supreme Court's Citizens United decision has delivered. Blacks, Hispanics, and Asians - the Republican Party has had a history of thinly, veiled hostility. And, women's reproductive rights..don't even get me started. Where are the Republican women reigning in their chauvinistic men? Can only a Democratic woman stand up to a Republican man for women? What's wrong with the Republican Party? I ask Republicans and they shrug. Well, you know what..I'll vote for Obama and the Democrats and shrug too. After all their bullsh_t, can they expect anything different from 'everyone else who is not them'?!

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Old 06-14-2012, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX/London, UK
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If it was doing so great, why did EVERY county in California (except one - and even that was a plus for us) had a net outmigration to Travis County in 2011?

Look, I am not down on Cali, except as a sterling example of NOT what we in Texas should do. If that is what Californians want (and based on how they vote, obviously it is), then good for them. I have learned much in my life by modeling good traits in people I respect. I have learned just as much from seeing things that didn't work, and not doing that. Based on the demographics, Cali isn't working for a lot of people - including the woman you steered to the Highland Lakes, BevoLJ. Texas, for as long as I have been alive, and regardless of what party is in power, has been a low tax - low service - low regulation state. There is no reason, no matter how well intentioned, to mess with that model, which appears to work pretty well. I welcome all these folks to Texas - just dont mess with what produced the economy that attracted them in the first place.
I never said Cali is doing great. I was trying to have some light lighthearted fun, because I like you, with the suggestion that the past 50 hasn't been good to Cali. Because it has. The state has continued to be one of the most important economic powers on Earth the past 50 years. It has a wonderful quality of life, and is a good place to work and live. Many people feel that way.

As for why so many are moving from Cali to Texas... it isn't just Cali. California is a huge state with tons and tons and tons of people. So it may often seem like it is just Californians that are moving to Texas but it is not. People from all over the US (and outside the US) are flocking to Texas, because Texas is booming right now. California is not booming. Rather it is having a very hard time. But just because it is down doesn't mean it is getting worse. It just isn't booming like it normally is, and certainly not like Texas currently is.

I really wish Perry Texans would take the opportunity to give themselves more credit for our current booming economy in Texas, rather than poop on everywhere/everyone else and suggest that is why they are coming here. I am a Texan, born and raised in Austin, and I hope you know how much I love Austin and Texas. I'm tremendously proud of our wonderful city we have, and all of our success. I also lived in Cali, got my degree from UCLA, and have many friends in Cali and go there often. Just because we are doing so well doesn't mean it is the craphole that Perry and the rest of the Perry Conservatives in Texas keep trying to make it out to be. That is just politics. The state really isn't doing half as bad, and the people are half as crazy loons as most Texans try to make them out to be nowadays that Texas is doing well and they aren't.

Cali does things its way, Texas does thing our way. We are all better for it, and both's success. Even Cali. Texas - especially Austin - owes a large part of its success to places like Cali and NY and the innovation, money, education and much more they offer us. And without Texas this past 4 years would have been much worse for the US [see: €].

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Old 06-14-2012, 01:53 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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I voted for Obama, but there's no way I'd do it again now.

I essentially voted for him for two reasons:

First, I thought out of all the candidates, that Mitt Romney was probably the best candidate because my number one priority is reeling in the out of control spending, and putting someone in office that actually understands economics in a working way - not law. The office is called the Executive Branch of our federal government - not the Legislative Branch. I wanted someone who knew about running things from an executive perspective, not a legal one. He (Romney) didn't make it too far last time to vote for him in the primary, so I choose Obama which segway's into reason #2.

I wanted to get a black president out of the way. I'm tired of hearing all these "firsts" with women, with blacks, with whatever. I figured by getting a black president into office, we can wipe it off the country's "bucket list". And, I thought, one of two things will happen: 1) he will be a good president, get two terms, and we all benefit as a nation; or, 2) he will suck, get one term, and hopefully Romney would run again (for the reasons stated in the paragraph above).

I had no idea he would be as incompetent and irrelevant as he has been. In my opinion, he has been one of the worst presidents in our history (for my personal reasons), and I wouldn't vote again for him if he was running against PeeWee Herman. But, what has happened has worked as I hoped it would - his incompetence has opened the door for Romney who has a shot at president.

My only fear is that Romney could choose not to put forth the effort to fix the economy, and then I have little-to-no hope for the future of our country.
I can't believe that one of the factors that you voted for Obama was simply because of his race. I will vote for Obama again simply because I feel that romney is the puppet of Wall St, banking, oil, big business, etc and we don't need to go through that again.
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Old 06-14-2012, 02:51 PM
 
Location: The People's Republic of Austin
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I can't believe that one of the factors that you voted for Obama was simply because of his race. I will vote for Obama again simply because I feel that romney is the puppet of Wall St, banking, oil, big business, etc and we don't need to go through that again.
You guys crack me up. Is that orange or cherry you are drinking? As far as "tools" of Wall Street, you aren't paying very close attention. From the Washington Post:

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One top banking executive who raises money for Obama, discussing fundraising efforts on the condition of anonymity, said reports of disaffection with the president “are exaggerated and overblown.” He said a strong contingent of financiers in New York, Chicago and California remains supportive of Obama and his economic policies, even as some have turned on him.

But, this donor added, “it probably helps from a political perspective if he’s not seen as a Wall Street guy.”
And as far as this hand wringing over the evils of "Big Money" in politics, you didn't seem to mind when your guy became the first presidential candidate in history to blow off public financing and the limits that came with that because he was on his way to a record setting $750,000,000 haul. If that isn't "Big Money", then show me your ruler.

Glug, Glug, Glug.
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Old 06-15-2012, 07:38 AM
 
Location: West Texas
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With comments like these, no wonder your hopes and dreams are so limited. Now, as a Texan, do I care? Absolutely not! These last 4 years have been wonderful for me. People talk about Obama the man they don't know, but his administration you hear crickets...and that's the President's real job. The Republicans have not worked with the President since the stimulus in 2008. They stopped even trying to govern. Even Republican Senate Minority leader Mitch McConnell said his #1`goal was defeating President Obama - he said this in 2009!

The Republicans are busted and have only the big money donor$ the Supreme Court's Citizens United decision has delivered. Blacks, Hispanics, and Asians - the Republican Party has had a history of thinly, veiled hostility. And, women's reproductive rights..don't even get me started. Where are the Republican women reigning in their chauvinistic men? Can only a Democratic woman stand up to a Republican man for women? What's wrong with the Republican Party? I ask Republicans and they shrug. Well, you know what..I'll vote for Obama and the Democrats and shrug too. After all their bullsh_t, can they expect anything different from 'everyone else who is not them'?!
I'm an Independent... vote who I think can do the best job. If I was a Republican, why would I have voted for Obama over McCain?

I'm curious, though. You want to talk about crickets... I'm all ears to hear about anything that Obama has done that warrant him another term as president... that didn't have bigger negative impact than positive? Because last time I checked, the President was to represent ALL Americans, not just his small elite agenda of protecting as many minorities (not just racial minorities) as he can.

He has taken the majority of Americans, driven us into further poverty, all so a vast minority can benefit. Does that sound like anyone who knows anything about leading (which is what the EXECUTIVE branch of the government is supposed to do - not make laws in the form of "Executive Orders").

The Republicans have done just as much for corporations to drive down the economy. Supporting corporate initiatives has taken a negative toll as well. But, we need someone who understands economics and business to bring this country out of the financial woes it currently is in. I'm, once again, all ears as to why you'd think Obama is better than Romney in this area?
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Old 06-15-2012, 07:42 AM
 
Location: West Texas
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I will vote for Obama again simply because I feel that romney is the puppet of Wall St, banking, oil, big business, etc and we don't need to go through that again.
So... you have your reasons for voting and so do I. That's the cool thing about America. And, my vote will cancel yours... so we have to see what the rest of America thinks, won't we?

Last time I voted for Obama (for whatever my reasons). And, if you think I'm the only American that voted for him because of race (which was not my SOLE reason), you'd be sorely disappointed to look at demographical voting statistics for that last election.

Be that as it may, I was proven right... and the fact that you're willing to vote against Romney, who is OBVIOUSLY the better financial candidate, to take over in a country where finances are the biggest issue shows a lack of understanding your own country's needs. You're cutting off your proverbial nose despite your face.
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Old 06-15-2012, 09:04 AM
 
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Dear California to Texas transplants. You are really nice people. I appreciate you coming here to work and make Texas even greater.

I just have one request. You screwed up your home state by voting democrat, please dont come here and do the same. if you cant bring yourself to vote republican, just stay home. we are doing great without getting democrat nuttiness like what messed up Cali....


Thank you! you are awesome! Please enjoy the business friendly environment!
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Old 06-15-2012, 09:06 AM
 
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I can't believe that one of the factors that you voted for Obama was simply because of his race. I will vote for Obama again simply because I feel that romney is the puppet of Wall St, banking, oil, big business, etc and we don't need to go through that again.
you do realize that in the last election BHO got all the wallstreet money right?
You also relize that the big massive regulation bill that Mr. Obama signed and wanted and worked hard to get did not reinstitute the controls that were in place before Graham-Leach-Bidly (sp)? Right?
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Old 06-15-2012, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Riverside
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So... you have your reasons for voting and so do I. That's the cool thing about America. And, my vote will cancel yours... so we have to see what the rest of America thinks, won't we?

Last time I voted for Obama (for whatever my reasons). And, if you think I'm the only American that voted for him because of race (which was not my SOLE reason), you'd be sorely disappointed to look at demographical voting statistics for that last election.

Be that as it may, I was proven right... and the fact that you're willing to vote against Romney, who is OBVIOUSLY the better financial candidate, to take over in a country where finances are the biggest issue shows a lack of understanding your own country's needs. You're cutting off your proverbial nose despite your face.
It isn't obvious to me AT ALL that Romney is the "better financial candidate". All I hear from Romney is GWB X100, the same tax, spending, and regulation cuts that sent us screaming over the cliff in the first place. Romney does not have a single new idea-hell, his economic and FP teams are all GWB retreads!

Besides, Romney's not running for CFO, he's running for president. He won't be barking orders like a boss. He'll be trying to win cooperation and concensus from disparate groups. NOTHING in his political history would lead you to believe he can do that- nobody trusts Romney, because he has proven he'll SAY ANYTHING to get the job.
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Old 06-15-2012, 10:22 AM
 
Location: West Texas
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It isn't obvious to me AT ALL that Romney is the "better financial candidate". All I hear from Romney is GWB X100, the same tax, spending, and regulation cuts that sent us screaming over the cliff in the first place. Romney does not have a single new idea-hell, his economic and FP teams are all GWB retreads!
So you want an additional 6 TRILLION dollar deficit like Obama has done... Gotcha!

You hear retred of Bush, possibly, because you don't possess the capacity to understand individual economic concepts. One republican is not like the other.

If that was the case, you're saying that Obama is the same as Jackson, Lincoln, or Clinton, or JFK, or Carter, or ... or... or.

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Besides, Romney's not running for CFO, he's running for president. He won't be barking orders like a boss. He'll be trying to win cooperation and concensus from disparate groups. NOTHING in his political history would lead you to believe he can do that- nobody trusts Romney, because he has proven he'll SAY ANYTHING to get the job.
This is where you absolutely don't get it. He is not running for CFO.. he's running for CEO!! Something Obama hasn't gotten in nearly 4 years in office. Obama thinks he's a lawyer (when he's not opining on state law enforcement issues - something most "real" American's don't think the President of the country needs to be involving himself/herself in).

And he most certainly bark orders when needed. Not be a *****-cat apologist like Obama has been.

You say no one trust Romney... we'll see at the polls. You live where the unicorns are whatever color you like, and let the rest of us get the country BACK on track... please.
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