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Old 11-03-2012, 07:40 PM
 
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thats what i say when i say your not being realistic.

Ohio Romney +220
North Carolina Romney -460
Florida Romney -175
Colorado Romney +140
Iowa Romney +250
Nevada Romney +450
Wisconsin Romney +300

you say romney wins all 7 of those states, 5 of those being underdogs, 4 of the 5 being a decent underdog, and florida being a tiny romney edge. go to vegas and parlay that, place a hundred and youll win 28,000.

realistically you could convince me that romney would win 3 of those. when you start talking about big dog states like nevada, wisconsin, then i know you arnt being serious.
Your quoting betting lines and claiming I am the one not serious?
Heres a poll for ya.... Minnesota presidential election 2012 poll: AFF: Minnesota a toss-up - POLITICO.com
(and no...i am not serious on this one)

Romney will win both NV and WI.

 
Old 11-03-2012, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Here's a good one - Romney lead with Indies by TWENTY-TWO..yet race is tied?

Hogwash;

http://www.unh.edu/survey-center/new...pres110312.pdf

I smell a firewall burning.

Problem with pollster like PPP, NBC/MARIST - they are using TO models from 2008..sometimes greater than that. For example, the Marist OH poll is using DEM+9 - there is NO WAY dems will TO in greater numbers than 2008.Not even close - they are down 150,000 in Reg, while GOP is UP 100,000 in reg. Plus early voting is not looking good for them, way off 2008.

Same with PPP and their OH,FL,VA DEM+8,8,9.
 
Old 11-03-2012, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Gallup and Rasmussen are the biggest most right wing polls period Rasmussen has had R Money up by a min of 3 almost the whole time since may even when all other polls had Obama winning
Gallup has suspended their tracker so for all we know the gap might have closed with them just like it did with Ras.
 
Old 11-03-2012, 07:43 PM
 
Location: The High Seas
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Rasmussen was closet to the numbers last time, so they have the most credibility until proven otherwise.
 
Old 11-03-2012, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Here's a good one - Romney lead with Indies by TWENTY-TWO..yet race is tied?

Hogwash;

http://www.unh.edu/survey-center/new...pres110312.pdf
Just a few days ago it was Obama who was up big with Indies. NH is a weird state and is supposedly difficult to poll. Granite state is a decent poll but this kind of gyration near the end of the process makes it questionable no matter who you like. One thing about NH though is that while it goes this way and that way in polls it usually comes through for the Dems.
 
Old 11-03-2012, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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I'd like to remind both sides that on any given Sunday....

Or in this case Tuesday
 
Old 11-03-2012, 07:52 PM
 
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Originally Posted by sanrene View Post
Here's a good one - Romney lead with Indies by TWENTY-TWO..yet race is tied?

Hogwash;

http://www.unh.edu/survey-center/new...pres110312.pdf

I smell a firewall burning.

Problem with pollster like PPP, NBC/MARIST - they are using TO models from 2008..sometimes greater than that. For example, the Marist OH poll is using DEM+9 - there is NO WAY dems will TO in greater numbers than 2008.Not even close - they are down 150,000 in Reg, while GOP is UP 100,000 in reg. Plus early voting is not looking good for them, way off 2008.

Same with PPP and their OH,FL,VA DEM+8,8,9.
People in FL waiting four hours to vote. They certainly aren't waiting for Obama.
 
Old 11-03-2012, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Just a few days ago it was Obama who was up big with Indies. NH is a weird state and is supposedly difficult to poll. Granite state is a decent poll but this kind of gyration near the end of the process makes it questionable no matter who you like. One thing about NH though is that while it goes this way and that way in polls it usually comes through for the Dems.
Yes...NH is trending toward Romney, just like PA, WI, MI are.

Last 15 elections, gone for dems 5 times.

New Hampshire Presidential Election Voting History
 
Old 11-03-2012, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Here's a little about that bias. OHIO as an example. See if you agree;

RE: Marist Poll In Ohio « The Greenroom

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So in order to believe the Marist poll, that Obama is up over the margin of error, you have to believe that the intensity level for Obama by party ID is higher now than it was in 2008. You have to believe that the swing from 2008 to 2010, where party ID went from D+8 to R+1, resulting in the election of a Republican governor, a Republican Senator, and control of the state house, all that has not only vanished, but recoiled even further in Obama’s direction.
Read on. You have to SUSPEND belief.
 
Old 11-03-2012, 08:11 PM
 
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People in FL waiting four hours to vote. They certainly aren't waiting for Obama.
Yes they are. Early voters in FL support Obama by a higher percentage than Romney. That's why the tea party Gov of Florida has been trying to suppress Democrats votes as much as possible. He decreased early voting from 14 days in 2008 to 8 days in 2012. Thus the long lines. He is hoping it deters some Democrats from voting. It has likely done the opposite.
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