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Old 10-27-2012, 10:40 PM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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His Energy Secretary has stated that he wants European-level prices for gasoline.

Will that NOT destroy our economy and our country?

How the hell can anybody deny that he doesn't want to demolish our economy with regulations and moronic policies such as that one, as well as ObamCare & Dodd-Frank?
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Old 10-28-2012, 04:32 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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I'm not so sure he was out to destroy the economy...that was just a byproduct of his incompetence.
Of course, the facts go against both of those theories because the economy is far better than the near-depression Mr. Obama inherited and it is due to policies Obama put in place in-spite of Republican opposition.
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Thanks in large part to interventions Mr. Obama championed, like the $840 billion stimulus bill. Republicans say it failed, but it created and preserved 2.5 million jobs and prevented unemployment from reaching 12 percent. Poverty would have been much worse without the billions spent on Medicaid, food stamps and jobless benefits.

Last year, Mr. Obama introduced a jobs plan that included spending on school renovations, repair projects for roads and bridges, aid to states, and more. It was stymied by Republicans.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/op...l?pagewanted=2
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Old 10-28-2012, 05:03 AM
 
Location: Earth
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Of course, the facts go against both of those theories because the economy is far better than the near-depression Mr. Obama inherited and it is due to policies Obama put in place in-spite of Republican opposition.
Romney will definitely inherit a mess after Obama loses. Sure the economy is far better because Obama further devalue the purchasing power of our dollar driving up the cost of goods and services with him signing off on 6 more trillion dollars to our national debt making it 16 trillion. Bush didn't add 6 more trillion he did. That more than any president in history. Way to go!!

Obama and Bush are both guilty. The national debt was only 5 trillion dollars before those two had taken office. It had taken a centuries since George Washington to get to 5 trillion. Romney is no Bush or Obama. We cannot a afford to further devaluing a dollar. You do understand how serious this is?
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Old 10-28-2012, 05:23 AM
 
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His Energy Secretary has stated that he wants European-level prices for gasoline.

Will that NOT destroy our economy and our country?
Absolutely, because when you drive up energy prices those price increases are then passed on down to the consumer. I know so because I'm part of an industry that can determine if you're gas or goods will become more expensive or not. Oh you want to come after the oil companies with more taxes they'll just trickle it down to the consumer. Oh you want to get rid of coal production it will make your utility bill go through the roof. I could make a list of items that will become more expensive to the consumer due to higher energy costs. It's so obvious but at least I'm not the only one who understands this. Good point on calling out the Energy Secretary.
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Old 10-28-2012, 05:34 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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This destruction of the economy comes from the half baked idea that no one nation should be more prosperous than the next- That all nations should be made stable by bringing about universal poverty for all. In America people are generous and wealth distribution takes place naturally because people do not panic when things get rough- They help each other.

Just a month ago my eldest son who was living in Cypress for the last four years returned...He said as Greece went down the tubes he and his family got dragged down also..There income was cut from a livable existence to on of panic and poverty...They had to make a run for it..What he said regarding the effect of the European Union was that when the nations were like families and had sovereignty the people helped each other and kept things afloat.


Now from what I understand it is every man for himself..and people are turning on each other like rats on a sinking ship...This is the effect of removing economic borders...that national families and families are being destroy through economics...It's a bad idea. We are not "all one"...Obama would like to see equality- well he will make all Americans equal- EQUALLY POOR.
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Old 10-28-2012, 05:37 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Romney will definitely inherit a mess after Obama loses. Sure the economy is far better because Obama further devalue the purchasing power of our dollar driving up the cost of goods and services with him signing off on 6 more trillion dollars to our national debt making it 16 trillion. Bush didn't add 6 more trillion he did. That more than any president in history. Way to go!!

Obama and Bush are both guilty. The national debt was only 5 trillion dollars before those two had taken office. It had taken a centuries since George Washington to get to 5 trillion. Romney is no Bush or Obama. We cannot a afford to further devaluing a dollar. You do understand how serious this is?
Before you make statements about numbers it's good to actually look at the numbers (instead of taking the word of right-wing radio hosts.) The dollar has not been devalued under Obama. As you can see below, it now takes fewer dollars to buy one Euro, which means the dollar is higher, not weaker.



But I have to ask, where were you during the Bush Administration when the dollar fell over 40%?



If you are serious about debt and won't consider raising taxes on billionaires by one penny, you are not serious about debt. We had a surplus under Clinton and when Bush cut taxes we started having deficits again. I am sick of listening to Republicans who when asked what the first thing they will do to address the deficit respond by saying cut taxes.
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Old 10-28-2012, 05:42 AM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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The first step in replacing the American ideology with a failed rehash of a socialist system is to make people dependant on the government.

Obama's demonstrated actions clearly show he is doing everything to boost unemployment which eliiminates employer supplied health coverage just as he approves Obamacare which has little to do with healthcare. video of obama attacking Hillary's healthcare plan because it would force people to buy it. Oops he changed his mind.

Obama didn't author Obamacare, it was handed to him. Obama is a dupe for a socio-political direction the country does not want.

He said there were shovel rweady jobs then laughed in retrospect when asked about them.

Obama predicted a low unemployment rate if his rescue package was passed...ooops.

give out free cell phones to potential voters and give a big payday to the large campaing donor cell phone company owner.

Solar energy can be described a notheg short of money laundering.

delayed gulf oil drilling

Obama promised energy costs would skyrocket under his plan, it is, but we still don't know what his plan is but he made good on his promise of higher energy costs. Who would think it a good idea to esentially kill the economy by eliminating its support sytem. Intelligent transition is needed to make big changes. it is foolhardy and incompetent to destroy the quality of life and the economy for an ideology but that is exactly what obama's handelers are doing.

obama suffocated industries with regulation which bypassed congress....required to fulfill his promise of skyrocketing energy costs

Throw in a situation where the economy took a hit obama steps in and claims he inherited a mess. that is easier to rationalize his destruction of the economy. then the media turns against the people and gives its allegience to the new world order.

When you look at Obama's dismal record you can only conclude Obama is out to destroy our economy or is totally inept. your choice.

This is not about any issue other than installing a socialist regime and 're-writing our history'.
Get a clue.

FactCheck.org : welfare


FactCheck.org : The Obama Phone?

Before people post nonsense and lies, please do some fact checking.
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Old 10-28-2012, 05:50 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Get a clue.

FactCheck.org : welfare


FactCheck.org : The Obama Phone?

Before people post nonsense and lies, please do some fact checking.
I started a thread on Friday about the Obama phones. It was a program started by Reagan and expanded under Bush.

But you have outlined why Obama isn't far ahead of Romney, Romney and his super-packs are spending a billion dollars to essentially spread misinformation. Repeat a lie enough and people accept it as the truth.
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Old 10-28-2012, 06:08 AM
 
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Before you make statements about numbers it's good to actually look at the numbers (instead of taking the word of right-wing radio hosts.) The dollar has not been devalued under Obama. As you can see below, it now takes fewer dollars to buy one Euro, which means the dollar is higher, not weaker.
You do know that the FED is not the government and owns about a 2/3 of our debt. They are part of the reason for keeping the dollar up but not for long if nothing is done. Obama signed off on 6 trillion adding the debt ceiling to 16 trillion. Yes, the more you borrow the less value the dollar has. The dollar isn't based on the gold standard anymore you know.

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But I have to ask, where were you during the Bush Administration when the dollar fell over 40%?
Bush and Obama are the two highest spenders compared to other presidents.



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We had a surplus under Clinton and when Bush cut taxes we started having deficits again. I am sick of listening to Republicans who when asked what the first thing they will do to address the deficit respond by saying cut taxes.
Yes, more surplus when the republicans held the major in the House after 1994
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Old 10-28-2012, 06:29 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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What is there in it for President Obama to do that? Why do you all keep harping this? I don't know of anyone that wants our economy destroyed. Just a campaign tactic by the GOP?
Apparently, you do not know who Obama is. Suggest you start doing some research NOW. This man is no friend to America. He is an enemy.
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