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Old 10-28-2012, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Democrats/Liberals = Optimism - Our country is better than 50 years ago and will be brighter 50 years from now!

Republicans/Conservatives = Pessimism - Our country has been going down the crap hole the past 50 years and it will only get worse in the next 50 years!

There are studies that actually show this too, but I noticed it from my own observations.
Were you even alive 50 years ago and if so, old enough to know what is good or what wss good. In some ways, because of technology, yes, we are better off; this has nothing to do with the Pres, in other ways we are certainly not better off, that does have to do with our government.
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Old 10-28-2012, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Yes Fla is the only risk model in the nation. Look into it. Other states are not able to have that model due to demographics. Most MD's do not like how Fla runs that model. It is different. Not one is better than the other, but MD's have more flexibility in other states compared to Fla in regards to Medicare HMO and how things are practiced and ran. I am referencing PCP's not specialists, that is a whole other ball game...
you have no clue: Have you lived in other states and been on medicare? We have several friends infact who have lost their doctors because they no longer take medicare or no longer participate in a certain HMO. We have been pretty lucky, it has only affected us a couple of times. You gave examples of senoirs choosing medicare only, medicare and medicaid (not possible unless they are considered poverty) or choosing medicare and an HMO or PPO. I said, this is not unusual, my mother in law had the choise when she lived in Texas and VA: we have had the same choices in NM and AR...Basically all states are the same...or similar, each with its own little glitch or difference.
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Old 10-28-2012, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Everywhere you want to be
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i really can't imagine how anybody could support having

their currency degraded, and having to pay more for everything that they need to live

their overall wealth declining by 40% since obama was elected

housing values being depreciated

undermining the small business sector with massive regulation

green energy fiasco, and money diverted from energy programs that might actually help up get energy independent

rents rising due to federal reserve manipulation

illegal immigrants being brought in to compete with them for jobs and wages

wars, and then lying about wars

foreign aid spending like there is no tomorrow, including helping other countries develop THEIR oil resources

destroying cars in the cash for clunkers program so poor people couldn't get cheap cars anymore

the mismanaged BP spill money (handled by the wall street pay czar, oddly enough-who did a real BANG-UP job with that, and i see now he is also the penn state victim czar)

rising fuel prices (notice, however how they manage to drop just before the election-even though obama has NOTHING to do with fuel prices, , other than the iran boycott that is), fact- Since Barack Obama has been president, the average price of a gallon of gasoline in the United States has increased by 90 percent.

fast and furious disaster-with our GOVERNMENT RUNNING GUNS TO MEXICO, and people being murdered. Sadly, the media doesn't seem to think that is much of a big deal.

no doubt our government is running guns in libya, and most of our media isn't too interested in that either. (with a few exceptions)

i guess some voters are either clueless or masochists, but i don't know which.

i voted, and our republican county had a LONG LINE to vote-for the first time ever that i have gone to vote.
Don't forget to blame Obama for all those that went to hell also, he had partially something to do with that as well..don't forget that one Sandy If it rains tommorrow let's blame Obama. If the director gets the flu this week let's blame Obama, if a lady on your way to work tommorrow decides to drive past a red light in a rush to work, let's blame Obama for that as well...Let's blame Obama if Taylor Swift doesnt win an award on the CMA's this week
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Old 10-28-2012, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Not exactly true, but you're on the right track. I'd have to write a 200 page post to explain. But there are a variety of plans available in most states. One problem for me is that the benefits have gotten a lot better and the people who are receiving them are doing all the complaining!

Maybe Chica was talking about something else. Medicaid is entirely different from Medicare. Medicaid is income based and Medicare is not. If a person is on both Medicare and Medicare, the term is "dual eligible." When a person is eligible for Medicare, Medicare is the primary insurer. If the beneficiary is indigent, the individual state's Medicaid often covers the co-pays and deductibles.

However, Long term Care is not covered by Medicare at all. So a very large percentage of elderly and disabled persons living in nursing homes depend on their state's Medicaid program. When a state cuts Medicaid spending, it has a devastating effect on that population.

For example, in Florida the cuts have resulted in a reduction of nursing home employees and an increase in abuse and neglect. In many counties, complaints about nursing home abuse are on the rise because of cuts to Medicaid. Therefore, it is critical that the Federal Government has some control over how Medicaid funds are spent. Recently a judge in New York put a temporary injunction on cuts that would reduce the number of home visits to people who require in-home care. Medicaid eligibility, Food Stamps and other forms of state assistance, are determined by each state. However, the Federal Government has guidelines they're supposed to follow. I realize everyone keeps yelling "give the states more rights" but when you're sick and disabled, you can't just pack up and move to the state that offers the best care.
Yes, I agree with you: my point is: basically all states have similar policies and long term care, as you say, isn't covered by medicare except about a month, so, either people have to purchase, very costly long term care incusrance or they have to depend on mediaid, and yes, this can create problems if the program is cut. The other is, seniors must spend all their hard earned money in order to be covered under medicare. Florida isn't the only state facing a crisis, we are here in AR as well and the situation in Ca is really bad.
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Old 10-28-2012, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Everywhere you want to be
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you have no clue: Have you lived in other states and been on medicare? We have several friends infact who have lost their doctors because they no longer take medicare or no longer participate in a certain HMO. We have been pretty lucky, it has only affected us a couple of times. You gave examples of senoirs choosing medicare only, medicare and medicaid (not possible unless they are considered poverty) or choosing medicare and an HMO or PPO. I said, this is not unusual, my mother in law had the choise when she lived in Texas and VA: we have had the same choices in NM and AR...Basically all states are the same...or similar, each with its own little glitch or difference.
No it's not...my knowledge is not based on friends accounts...do your research that is all I will say. Only If you knew what happens behind the scenes...
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Old 10-28-2012, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I'm not sure where you get your facts, but it doesn't matter. The good news is that there will be fewer poor people in 2016 if Romney is the pres. I'm sure those few will still play the victim, but there really are a few people that you just can't help.
and where do you get your ideas? If will be fewer poor people in 2016, why has the number continued to climb in the past 4 years???What is going to be different in the next 4?
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Old 10-28-2012, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Everywhere you want to be
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Not exactly true, but you're on the right track. I'd have to write a 200 page post to explain. But there are a variety of plans available in most states. One problem for me is that the benefits have gotten a lot better and the people who are receiving them are doing all the complaining!

Maybe Chica was talking about something else. Medicaid is entirely different from Medicare. Medicaid is income based and Medicare is not. If a person is on both Medicare and Medicare, the term is "dual eligible." When a person is eligible for Medicare, Medicare is the primary insurer. If the beneficiary is indigent, the individual state's Medicaid often covers the co-pays and deductibles.

However, Long term Care is not covered by Medicare at all. So a very large percentage of elderly and disabled persons living in nursing homes depend on their state's Medicaid program. When a state cuts Medicaid spending, it has a devastating effect on that population.

For example, in Florida the cuts have resulted in a reduction of nursing home employees and an increase in abuse and neglect. In many counties, complaints about nursing home abuse are on the rise because of cuts to Medicaid. Therefore, it is critical that the Federal Government has some control over how Medicaid funds are spent. Recently a judge in New York put a temporary injunction on cuts that would reduce the number of home visits to people who require in-home care. Medicaid eligibility, Food Stamps and other forms of state assistance, are determined by each state. However, the Federal Government has guidelines they're supposed to follow. I realize everyone keeps yelling "give the states more rights" but when you're sick and disabled, you can't just pack up and move to the state that offers the best care.
Yes you are correct, You are right I wasn't talking about the dual eligible, just the Medicare. Its sad that alot of people are not privy to alot of things not covered by Medicare, and yes you are right LTC is not covered and most people are not able to pay out of pocket for that. And with the advantage programs only a certain amt is covered for SNF's or Nursing Home but to have a care taker to be covered, you are absolutely right not happening. CMS (government) is the governing body that oversees Medicare and what is allowed and they are the body that the insurance companies answer to. I agree with you 100% with your last sentence. The abuse in Nursing homes have been happening prior to Medicaid cuts.
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Old 10-28-2012, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Everywhere you want to be
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you have no clue: Have you lived in other states and been on medicare? We have several friends infact who have lost their doctors because they no longer take medicare or no longer participate in a certain HMO. We have been pretty lucky, it has only affected us a couple of times. You gave examples of senoirs choosing medicare only, medicare and medicaid (not possible unless they are considered poverty) or choosing medicare and an HMO or PPO. I said, this is not unusual, my mother in law had the choise when she lived in Texas and VA: we have had the same choices in NM and AR...Basically all states are the same...or similar, each with its own little glitch or difference.
I wanted to also add alot of PCP's have been dropped due to not following guidelines. Pressure from CMS onto insurance company, insurance company pressures MD to comply, depending how severe the situation, that doctor will be termed from participating with that insurance company. They will never tell you that. Now I am only talking in regards to Fla and PCP's not specialists, that is a different entity.
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Old 10-28-2012, 05:03 PM
 
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Great post! I think we may also see an unintended effect of the Repub voter suppression efforts. People may have been unenthusiastic due to economic woes, but they don't like being attacked at the same time. They may well get fired up to get out and vote because of those that tried to keep them from doing just that.
there was no voter suppression in my county in florida. (indian river)

people have been bombarded to go out and vote.

we had "poll monitors"on the sidelines, long lines, and a pretty pleasant group of people waiting to vote.

this is going to be a very high turnout election, and i figured as much from all the political signs on all the lawns in the neighborhood.
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Old 10-28-2012, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Everywhere you want to be
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there was no voter suppression in my county in florida. (indian river)

we had "poll monitors", long lines, and a pretty pleasant group of people waiting to vote.

this is going to be a very high turnout election, and i figured as much from all the political signs on all the lawns in the neighborhood.
Yeah your county democratic numbers were slowly increasing from last 2 elections but your county will more than likely go Romney/Ryan. My county will also go to Romney/Ryan I didnt see any voter suppression either..
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