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Just a fun thread to discuss possibilities. Many Democrats are saying the Republican party is dead. They've been saying that for quite some time, actually. I guess they don't remember the 80's when the Democratic party was pronounced officially dead. As long as young leaders continue to advance and the bad ideas leave (Palin, Bachman), the party ideals will evolve and life goes on.
The purpose of this thread is to discuss potential 2016 presidential matchups, the winner, and why.
I'll start:
R: P.Ryan/J.Bush
D: H.Clinton/J.Biden
This is the liberal wet-dream matchup. Clinton will draw hordes of core liberals, and the anti-gun types (still smarting from the loss of the renewed AWB and Background checks in early 2013) will vote in droves. Core conservatives DESPISE Clinton, and pro-2A types will fight hard because both Dems are hard-core anti-gun. But Ryan is way too extreme, and another Bush??? For the third election in a row the moderates will swing to the Dems. Easy call on this one - Democrats win without trying.
R: C.Rice/M.Rubio
D: J.Biden/A.Cuomo
Ah, now this one is interesting. The presence of two minorities (a strong, successful, black woman; and a Latino) on the Republican ticket will force many racist/sexist core conservative voters to stay home and continue frantically preparing for oncoming apocalypse/revolution. But it will likely have the same effect on core liberals. B.Obama got 90% of the black vote in 2012 (liberals says this wasn't because of racism, but these same people say the whites who voted for Mittens all obviously want to return to the days of slavery), but many of those people would refuse to ever vote for a Repug. Plus there are just as many (probably more) sexist black males as there are sexist white males who would never vote for a woman. So with the core groups staying home, it'll come down to the moderates, which includes a very large percentage of Latinos. A couple of young(ish) moderate republicans vs. a pair of old-school anti-gun white boys? It'll be a fight, but this matchup is a winner for Republicans.
Condi will never run. Not because of race/gender, but because of her orientation. She'll never get through the primaries, and that's the real problem with the GOP.
The state primaries are stacked against sane candidates. The GOP selection will boil down to fringe candidates that have no appeal to anyone other than their core voters (ie, Santorum), and a compromise choice that no one really wants but is 'safe' enough to try in the general election (I'm looking at you, Romney). That said, their best hope in 2016 is Virginia Governor Bob Mcdonnell. He's popular with independents in a swing state, has a good track record, and isn't beholden to the fringes. Pair him up with Susana Martinez from New Mexico for a winning ticket with cross cutural/gender appeal.
All of the candidates I mentioned have been discussed in main-stream media as potential presidential candidates for 2016. I'm not saying they have a realistic chance of making it through the primaries, but they may run. I have yet to see any legit source even hinting at a Jill Biden presidential run, so obviously I meant Joe. But if you think she would make an interesting presidential candidate, feel free to state your choice. Perhaps a J.Biden/J.Biden ticket, with Jill as the President?
I meant nothing by the order I listed candidates. If order is important to you and you feel better seeing the names reversed, then here:
R: J.Bush/P.Ryan
D: J.Biden/H.Clinton
Just a fun thread to discuss possibilities. Many Democrats are saying the Republican party is dead. They've been saying that for quite some time, actually. I guess they don't remember the 80's when the Democratic party was pronounced officially dead. As long as young leaders continue to advance and the bad ideas leave (Palin, Bachman), the party ideals will evolve and life goes on.
The purpose of this thread is to discuss potential 2016 presidential matchups, the winner, and why.
I'll start:
R: P.Ryan/J.Bush
D: H.Clinton/J.Biden
This is the liberal wet-dream matchup. Clinton will draw hordes of core liberals, and the anti-gun types (still smarting from the loss of the renewed AWB and Background checks in early 2013) will vote in droves. Core conservatives DESPISE Clinton, and pro-2A types will fight hard because both Dems are hard-core anti-gun. But Ryan is way too extreme, and another Bush??? For the third election in a row the moderates will swing to the Dems. Easy call on this one - Democrats win without trying.
R: C.Rice/M.Rubio
D: J.Biden/A.Cuomo
Ah, now this one is interesting. The presence of two minorities (a strong, successful, black woman; and a Latino) on the Republican ticket will force many racist/sexist core conservative voters to stay home and continue frantically preparing for oncoming apocalypse/revolution. But it will likely have the same effect on core liberals. B.Obama got 90% of the black vote in 2012 (liberals says this wasn't because of racism, but these same people say the whites who voted for Mittens all obviously want to return to the days of slavery), but many of those people would refuse to ever vote for a Repug. Plus there are just as many (probably more) sexist black males as there are sexist white males who would never vote for a woman. So with the core groups staying home, it'll come down to the moderates, which includes a very large percentage of Latinos. A couple of young(ish) moderate republicans vs. a pair of old-school anti-gun white boys? It'll be a fight, but this matchup is a winner for Republicans.
Condelezza Rice is never going to be the conservative party nominee. Ms. Rice is a neo con when it comes to military intervention, but her other political stances are not very conservative. conservatives would reject Ms. Rice for a plethora of reasons.
In terms of can the conservative party win in 2016, sure, if the economy is bad, and if President Obama is very unpopular, then it might be very difficult for any Democrat to win the presidency, but if as likely the economy is better, the wars are over, Gitmo is closed, the healthcare bill is helping millions of Americans, then I see a Democrat being elected in 2016.
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