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Old 06-15-2013, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado
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oh for heavens sake, first of all you are saying the Obama's have done thus and so, there is only one Obama in office. As for health care, he couldn't even get the Democrats to go along with what he wanted. He had no choice but to sign what was finally presented to him. What do you think the President can do about labor and what does the patriot act have to do with Reagan? Only someone that is very far to the left, which I believe you have indicated you are, would put find much that Obama and Reagan had in common.

Now if you couldn't vote for Michelle, you think Obama has followed Reagan's policies, which the examples you give were not Reagan's doings and you don't think he is left at all, who would you support?
I believe that President Obama consults with his wife on various matters; they are both attorneys and quite intelligent. I have also seen her speak and while she may have been espousing her husband's philosophies, I would think that she shares them. Since she hasn't run for office herself, I don't know for sure.

Reagan and subsequently his followers are part of the Lewis Powell/Chamber of Commerce/ALEC ideological alliance which has been in place for some time. As far as Obama's ideological position, these may be useful to you:

Obama: I Would Be Considered Moderate Republican In 1980s - ABC News

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...h_the_gop.html
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Old 06-15-2013, 12:02 PM
 
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Let's hope that she DOES run for president in 2016, so that she can take the black vote away from Hillary Clinton.
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Old 06-15-2013, 12:05 PM
 
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If the phone rings at 3:00A in the White House do you really want Hillary Clinton to answer it? She's had one shot at being an executive and she showed she was incompetent, a liar and had no idea what was going on under her.
Not to mention that she'll already be in her 70s. She already had her chance to run for president but she blew it.
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Old 06-15-2013, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I believe that President Obama consults with his wife on various matters; they are both attorneys and quite intelligent. I have also seen her speak and while she may have been espousing her husband's philosophies, I would think that she shares them. Since she hasn't run for office herself, I don't know for sure.

Reagan and subsequently his followers are part of the Lewis Powell/Chamber of Commerce/ALEC ideological alliance which has been in place for some time. As far as Obama's ideological position, these may be useful to you:

Obama: I Would Be Considered Moderate Republican In 1980s - ABC News

Obama the moderate Republican: What the 2012 election should teach the GOP. - Slate Magazine
Let's put it this way, does he talk to her about life in general, well I would assume, if they are married he does, I doubt that he would listen to her and take her advise on many things that deal with executive decisions, but I guess none of us will ever really know that. This has nothing to do with their intelligence. That isn't the issue here.

He can say what he wants, that doesn't make it fact. I can say, I am a leftist, but that doesn't mean I am. He has said a lot of things that either are not true or only partially so. As for what is said in Slate, this shows where you are getting your information.

Again, I will repeat, when you mentioned Reagan connected with the Patriot act, you showed how little you know about politics in the past. As for telling me what might be useful to me, I really don't think you need to tell me what would and would not be useful. I have a suspension I pay more attention to both sides of politics than you ever have and maybe ever will, but we don't know that either, do we? I can assure you and this is one subject I do know about, more than you will ever know: Obama and Reagan are nothing alike.
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Old 06-15-2013, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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No way in hell should we vote for Hillary, Michelle, or Laura. Seriously, that is just 3rd world politics. Hillary's carpetbagging in New York was bad enough. One family gets eight years, tops, I don't care which one is the President and first whatever, but with 300 million people, it is gross to think we cannot find other deserving leaders.
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Old 06-15-2013, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado
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Let's put it this way, does he talk to her about life in general, well I would assume, if they are married he does, I doubt that he would listen to her and take her advise on many things that deal with executive decisions, but I guess none of us will ever really know that. This has nothing to do with their intelligence. That isn't the issue here.

He can say what he wants, that doesn't make it fact. I can say, I am a leftist, but that doesn't mean I am. He has said a lot of things that either are not true or only partially so. As for what is said in Slate, this shows where you are getting your information.

Again, I will repeat, when you mentioned Reagan connected with the Patriot act, you showed how little you know about politics in the past. As for telling me what might be useful to me, I really don't think you need to tell me what would and would not be useful. I have a suspension I pay more attention to both sides of politics than you ever have and maybe ever will, but we don't know that either, do we? I can assure you and this is one subject I do know about, more than you will ever know: Obama and Reagan are nothing alike.
Bush I and II continued the far-right policies of ALEC and company pushed by Reagan, do you see the connection? The Patriot Act/Rumsfeld/********/ALEC are all part of the Neocon Package of hyper-capitalism and suppression of the 'left' (these days, that's anyone to the left of Himmler). I don't know your age but I've followed politics since 1978 (President Carter, just before the right-wing Reagan military spending orgy and suppression of labour).

As mentioned, Obama initiated a Republican designed health care plan; he defended DOMA; he did not close Guantanamo; he went further to the right than Reagan and offered up Social Security to be sacrificed to the privateers/Greed Sector; he's a Republican, but definitely Reagan/Dole era.
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Old 06-15-2013, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Bush I and II continued the far-right policies of ALEC and company pushed by Reagan, do you see the connection? The Patriot Act/Rumsfeld/********/ALEC are all part of the Neocon Package of hyper-capitalism and suppression of the 'left' (these days, that's anyone to the left of Himmler). I don't know your age but I've followed politics since 1978 (President Carter, just before the right-wing Reagan military spending orgy and suppression of labour).

As mentioned, Obama initiated a Republican designed health care plan; he defended DOMA; he did not close Guantanamo; he went further to the right than Reagan and offered up Social Security to be sacrificed to the privateers/Greed Sector; he's a Republican, but definitely Reagan/Dole era.
We sill never agree on this so let's drop it and my comments are more directed to your comparing him with Reagan, which is just plain off the wall in every way. No, he isn't to the left like someone who calls his religion Democrat socialism or whatever, but he is anything but mid stream and certainly isn't anywhere close to the Republicans you mention. The subject of sacrificing SS absolutely never came up during the Reagan years. I am beginning to think you were not even born then based on some of the beliefs about the 80s you have.
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Old 06-15-2013, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Bush I and II continued the far-right policies of ALEC and company pushed by Reagan, do you see the connection? The Patriot Act/Rumsfeld/********/ALEC are all part of the Neocon Package of hyper-capitalism and suppression of the 'left' (these days, that's anyone to the left of Himmler). I don't know your age but I've followed politics since 1978 (President Carter, just before the right-wing Reagan military spending orgy and suppression of labour).

As mentioned, Obama initiated a Republican designed health care plan; he defended DOMA; he did not close Guantanamo; he went further to the right than Reagan and offered up Social Security to be sacrificed to the privateers/Greed Sector; he's a Republican, but definitely Reagan/Dole era.
We sill never agree on this so let's drop it and my comments are more directed to your comparing him with Reagan, which is just plain off the wall in every way. No, he isn't to the left like someone who calls his religion Democrat socialism or whatever, but he is anything but mid stream and certainly isn't anywhere close to the Republicans you mention. The subject of sacrificing SS absolutely never came up during the Reagan years. I am beginning to think you were not even born then based on some of the beliefs about the 80s you have. Yes, he said he would close G, and didn't. Let me put it to you as clearly as I can, I am much closer to what happened before and during Reagans administration than you could ever be. My age, well lets just say, I am pretty sure I am close to old enough to be your mommy!!By the way: Reagan made us proud to be Americans again, was highly respected around the world and yes, he spent a lot of the military: he wanted a country that was safe from communism and terrorist.
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Old 06-16-2013, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado
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What did you think about the articles?
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Old 06-16-2013, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Southeast, where else?
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Where to start? Wow.

Well, Hillary IS going to run. She went from dropping her post just prior to the election (if you recall, she was vehemently fighting for the Democratic nomination to the bitter, jealous end), blew Benghazi, had a concussion, 6 whopping weeks of "rest", miraculous recovery, and announced her run.

Believe me, she's running.

Hillary would lie to the father of a dead navy seal, at the navy seal's funeral, if need be to put Benghazi in the rear view mirror...wait, she actually did that......no, Hillary IS running and in true Hillary form she is willing to do ANYTHING to win. It's the Hillary way....after all, she always had more shamelessness than Bill. She let him go through the biggest public disgrace in US political history and didn't so much as blink.

She watched her husband lie on TV about getting blown in the White House by a then 25 year old intern (remember that away back when), lived through that scandal and came out smiling. Probably as much for the fact that she didn't have to do it and Monica Lewinski...did.

I don't think I've ever seen a politician lrt scandal roll off one back as much as her. From working on the Nixon prosecutorial team, rose law scandal, Bills scandals, Benghazi scandal and god knows what else, she's bulletproof. You can't hurt HER feelings. Mostly because she has none.

Fast forward 2016. IF Michelle Obama were to put down the party circuit and run on the Get Fit America or Else platform, Hillary woul not only win, she would literally scratch Michelle's eyes out after running head long across stage, at the first debate, to do so. Kind of like a live MMA match. Careful, that Kitty's got claws. .

That next democratic hopeful OWNS that sandbox. No other Kitty's need apply. Besides, Hillary is going to be too busy neutering her male counterparts and pissing standing up. Michelle is merely a snack to the matriarch of the Clinton Dynasty.

Michelle would make Sarah Palin look "hopeful". And I'm Republican damnit!

I can't even imagine it would possible unless she had absolutely no seasoned advisors and the Obama egos have gotten SO big that this would be entertained. What would her cabinet consist of? Martha Stewart as "Secretary of The Interior" (relax, it will grow on you), Susan Rice as Secretary of Defense", Beyonce as Ambassador to the Stars, snoop Dog as Air Force One pilot? Secret service replaced with "The Posse"????

As if.

No, she's not going to run. No one can take THAT much humiliation. God knows Sarah Palin tried. No, she'll quietly leave, write a book, go on the lecture circuit, and find more dignified ways to cash in on her waning fame like most ex-politician's wives do.
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