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I am not really questioning either, I am simply saying there is a difference. One can be proved, the other can not.
So, let's see, you're "not questioning either, but one can be proved and the other can't"? So in other words, no matter what the State of Hawaii says, you still maintain that Obama's eligibility is "not provable?" But Cruz, for some odd reason, even though he wasn't even born in the U.S., arouses no suspicions in you and absolutely doesn't fall into that "not provable" bucket with you?
Yep, you sound exactly like every other birther to me. You might as well stop pretending that you aren't one--everyone reading your posts knows better.
ETA: For the record, Cruz is eligible. And so is Obama.
I hope there is no repeat of the Obama situation, no one needs to live through something like that again, but there is still a difference: in the case of Cruz, you are right, a simple explanation will settle the debate, in the case of Obama, there was a question as to the whereabouts and legalization of his birth certificate, huge difference.
Lol ladies and gentlemen of the jury, Exhibit A
And this is why I know it was all about obamas skin color and not his birth. Lets see, Obama and Cruz both have American mothers and foreign fathers. It is documented that Cruz was born outside of the us, yet you don't hear a peep from the birthers. Yes anyone born outside the u to an American parent is till conferred citizenship, that's the way it should be. Yet, had Obama been born in Kenya, folks wanted to make him ineligible.
So, let's see, you're "not questioning either, but one can be proved and the other can't"? So in other words, no matter what the State of Hawaii says, you still maintain that Obama's eligibility is "not provable?" But Cruz, for some odd reason, even though he wasn't even born in the U.S., arouses no suspicions in you and absolutely doesn't fall into that "not provable" bucket with you?
Yep, you sound exactly like every other birther to me. You might as well stop pretending that you aren't one--everyone reading your posts knows better.
ETA: For the record, Cruz is eligible. And so is Obama.
wow: am I getting feedback I didn't expect. I don't know how I can make it any clearer? I am not questioning either man and his eligibility to hold the office, I am simply saying, one is very black and white, the other kept the birthers (which I do not like) arguing the legality. I personally, am not doubting anything. Does everyone understand what I am saying now? Whether you do or you do not, I think we are beating a dead horse.
wow: am I getting feedback I didn't expect. I don't know how I can make it any clearer? I am not questioning either man and his eligibility to hold the office, I am simply saying, one is very black and white, the other kept the birthers (which I do not like) arguing the legality. I personally, am not doubting anything. Does everyone understand what I am saying now? Whether you do or you do not, I think we are beating a dead horse.
How did Obama keep the birthers arguing the legality?? He released the STATE CERTIFIED OFFICIAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE that was VERIFIED by state officials. There is no more proof than that, it doesn't get more black and white than that. The birthers kept arguing because they are racist nutjob conspiracy nutswho couldn't stand the fact we had a black President.
How did Obama keep the birthers arguing the legality?? He released the STATE CERTIFIED OFFICIAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE that was VERIFIED by state officials. There is no more proof than that, it doesn't get more black and white than that. The birthers kept arguing because they are racist nutjob conspiracy nutswho couldn't stand the fact we had a black President.
Why would you be surprised at the feedback when you make statements like this:
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In the case of Cruz, you are right, a simple explanation will settle the debate, in the case of Obama, there was a question as to the whereabouts and legalization of his birth certificate, huge difference.
Then when you get called on it, you quickly backtrack and claim you were misunderstood. But anyone who has read your posts on this subject over the last few years--and I know you and I have had this exact conversation before--has no such misunderstanding. You are very clearly saying that the State of Hawaii was not being truthful when they verified the president's birth certificate (or else how could there be a question as to the legality??), and those, my dear, are the words of a birther.
Own it. You are a birther. You are the only one here who thinks you can claim otherwise. There's no doubt for the rest of us.
Why would you be surprised at the feedback when you make statements like this:
Then when you get called on it, you quickly backtrack and claim you were misunderstood. But anyone who has read your posts on this subject over the last few years--and I know you and I have had this exact conversation before--has no such misunderstanding. You are very clearly saying that the State of Hawaii was not being truthful when they verified the president's birth certificate (or else how could there be a question as to the legality??), and those, my dear, are the words of a birther.
Own it. You are a birther. You are the only one here who thinks you can claim otherwise. There's no doubt for the rest of us.
I honestly don't think nmnita is a birther, but she refuses to call out other Republicans when they do or say heinous things. The fact she is trying to pass blame at Obama for not putting it to bed keeping the birthers going is absolutely asinine. You don't get anymore absolute in proof than a state certified and verified offical birth certificate
not exactly so i'm asking, respectfully, to clarify a couple points.
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..... I am simply saying, one is very black and white, .....
i'm assuming you're talking about cruz here. at this point cruz has released online a scanned copy of his government issued birth certificate. this puts him on par with obama in june 2008. how does this make matters "black and white" for cruz but not obama?
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the other kept the birthers (which I do not like) arguing the legality.
and this i will assume is obama. he released his certificate of birth in june 2008 ( first presidential candidate to do so ) and it was confirmed by HI department of health officials in october 2008. exactly what legality do you believe existed after that and what exactly do you believe obama could have done to remedy the situation?
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