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Old 02-20-2016, 07:57 AM
 
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I'm surprised Bernie became a socialist after his family immigrated from the Soviet bloc.
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Old 02-20-2016, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Austin
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I'm surprised Bernie became a socialist after his family immigrated from the Soviet bloc.
If you research his work history you would understand his socialist stance.
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Old 02-20-2016, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Agreed about big money controlling this country. An important component to this is illegal immigration. Businesses want to hire illegals over American citizens, and, in addition to considering the policies set forth in your comments below, you have to look at what policies will increase the very things people are tired of, which you indicate below. As much as I understand the draw to Sanders, he will advocate open borders, which will harm more US citizens. The ones harmed the most by these policies are blacks and vets.

I too am not sold on anyone for president this year. I know who I am not voting for, but still have no idea what I'm going to do other than I will vote for the person who will implement policies that put American citizens ahead of illegal immigrants and refugees.
Bernie has said he wants strong borders but is not for a fence. The fence is where he differs with Trump. Not sure Trump will really be able to build a secure wall, but he says he can.
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Old 02-20-2016, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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I originally thought he was an honest guy even though I do not believe in his views but the more I dug the more I learned that he is just like the rest of the candidates. He is simply a front and the people behind him are no good.
Bernie is futon my hood Brooklyn. This means three things:

He is a straight shooter.

He fights for what he believes in.

He has True Grit.
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Old 02-20-2016, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Here and There
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I'm a Bernie supporter, as is my husband and voting age children. We are upper middle class professionals and our kids work. If Hillary gets the nomination (which I'm sure the "powers that be" will make sure of) I will not vote. To say I'm disgusted with the rigged game is an understatement. I'm a proud liberal, left of Hillary, aligned with Bernie. To the Repubs that think only the lazy, moochers support Bernie, you are so far off base, but whatever helps you sleep at night. The biggest welfare states are red, everyone knows that.
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Old 02-20-2016, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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While I often wonder about your viewpoint regarding the economy etc., I totally agree with you that your son getting interested in the political happenings is a very good thing. Whether it is supporting Bernie or someone running for mayor, it is a good thing.


For those who are dissing the sons support of Bernie, have you always supported the same philosophy for your entire life? I doubt it. People learn, grow and form new viewpoints. I would rather have a 26 year old being for something than a 26 year old be for nothing.
Yep, this is what got me excited. I never really spoke to him about politics out economics. I let him develop his own views and am just very excited that he is getting involved and that Bernie inspired him.
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Old 02-20-2016, 08:07 AM
 
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I'm a Bernie supporter, as is my husband and voting age children. We are upper middle class professionals and our kids work. If Hillary gets the nomination (which I'm sure the "powers that be" will make sure of) I will not vote. To say I'm disgusted with the rigged game is an understatement. I'm a proud liberal, left of Hillary, aligned with Bernie. To the Repubs that think only the lazy, moochers support Bernie, you are so far off base, but whatever helps you sleep at night. The biggest welfare states are red, everyone knows that.
"The powers that be"... You mean the voters?
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Old 02-20-2016, 08:07 AM
 
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I believe every country has the right and duty to control immigration and yes many businesses benefit from illegal immigrants but let's be realistic most of those jobs are low paying crappy work that Americans will not want to do. So yes illegal immigration must be controlled but that's not going to improve the good job prospects in our country.
The bigger problem many see is a government controlled by a two party system in which both have been bought by big business and work for them. So at the end of the day it doesn't matter much who gets elected president because they are all beholden to the same people. Wether it was Bush or Obama, the same people made money and the rest of America stagnated at best. No wonder that Independents are the largest group in our country but that solves nothing because you can't get elected in 99% of the places unless you are an R or a D
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Old 02-20-2016, 08:07 AM
 
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Even if Bernie does not secure the nomination, he is paving the way for other likeminded candidates to gain traction in the future. If there is another 4 to 8 years of mediocre establishment politics, the case for a Europeanized America will be even stronger.
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Old 02-20-2016, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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I'm a Bernie supporter, as is my husband and voting age children. We are upper middle class professionals and our kids work. If Hillary gets the nomination (which I'm sure the "powers that be" will make sure of) I will not vote. To say I'm disgusted with the rigged game is an understatement. I'm a proud liberal, left of Hillary, aligned with Bernie. To the Repubs that think only the lazy, moochers support Bernie, you are so far off base, but whatever helps you sleep at night. The biggest welfare states are red, everyone knows that.
I'm a similar demographic, and feel the same way. I am just tired of voting for Crook D or Crook R. Finally a chance to vote for someone I can get excited about because he speaks from the heart.
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