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Old 02-28-2016, 11:00 AM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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Far from a Trump supporter myself, I came to hear what they had to say, and they are very, very silent.

I am for Bernie. Not voting for her, unless it's close. I am less afraid of Donald Trump, than I am of Cruz or Rubio. I am afraid of a theocracy. THEY frighten me more than Trump ever will.
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Old 02-28-2016, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Hello everyone! I asked these questions in the election forum and it seems like everyone went off topic. Unfortunately, it caused the thread to get shut down. I'm trying to start a civilized debate about the man who may actually win the presidency.

I just have a few questions and comments to make and I hope that the Trump supporters on this site will answer or comment on what I've said/asked. I promise to engage you in civilized discussion and I hope that everyone else participating will do the same.

1. If Trump's slogan is "Make America Great Again," are we to infer that America is not currently great? If so, when WAS is great? Could you give me a year or time period and explain why? What makes the country NOT great?
2. I am American but I'm currently living and working in SE Asia. I regularly interact with other SE Asians, Australians, Middle Easterners and Europeans and everyone of them I've met think that he's a joke and that Americans would be nuts to vote for him. Does that worry you?
3. What plans has he laid out that will improve the condition of the country? How can he do a better job than Obama?
4. Do you think he has a better chance against Hillary or Bernie? Why?
5. Who do you think he should choose as his VP if he gets the nomination? Why?
6. Does his lack of political experience worry you? He claims he's going to do a lot, but he'll get nothing done if without Congress.
7. If he gets elected, what would be his legacy?

1.) 1965 to 1975 is one period. I know there are others. When manufacturing was king and a person could get a job after high school and live a nice middle class existence. I picked this period because of my age and familiarity with those times. Trump mentions bringing back manufacturing and penalizing those that don't. Every 4 years the democrats bring up tax breaks for companies that take jobs over seas and then never mention it again for 4 more years. How many times did Hillary mention it in 2008? Every campaign stop?

2.) Could care less what they think. Our immigration numbers, wait lists, illegals, tourists, show what the majority think. I know several foreign born and Sanders scare them. They have lived under socialism.

3.) Trade, immigration, defense, and certainly not apologizing to other governments.

4.) He will have many crossover voters. I have seen polls where he gets a lot of support from 18 to 25 year olds. The ones with student loans and not much opportunity. He is not a social conservative and that is what keeps many young people from voting Republican. I think many will vote for Trump. The religious right won't have much of a say in a Trump administration even though he will get many of their votes.

5.) Jan Brewer. While many of the numbers aren't great in Arizona they are much better than before she took office. I've met her, nice woman. Don't believe the slanted news articles.

6.) Not important. Other presidents have had little to no experience. It may be a the time for a non politician. By resume the most qualified person we ever had as president was BUSH 1, how did that work out?

7.) Don't care about his or anyone's legacy. A president should work for the people and not concern himself with how he goes down in history.

By the way, I'm voting for Kasich.
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Old 02-28-2016, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Emmaus, PA
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Far from a Trump supporter myself, I came to hear what they had to say, and they are very, very silent.

I am for Bernie. Not voting for her, unless it's close. I am less afraid of Donald Trump, than I am of Cruz or Rubio. I am afraid of a theocracy. THEY frighten me more than Trump ever will.
The Constitution doesn't allow for a theocracy, regardless of what the Evangelicals want.
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Old 02-28-2016, 12:21 PM
 
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1.) 1965 to 1975 is one period. I know there are others. When manufacturing was king and a person could get a job after high school and live a nice middle class existence. I picked this period because of my age and familiarity with those times. Trump mentions bringing back manufacturing and penalizing those that don't. Every 4 years the democrats bring up tax breaks for companies that take jobs over seas and then never mention it again for 4 more years. How many times did Hillary mention it in 2008? Every campaign stop?

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Clinton is also talking about bringing back manufacturing, and expanding jobs that pay well enough for a middle-class life. I haven't been following her, but heard that yesterday in her speech in S. Carolina.
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Old 02-28-2016, 12:36 PM
 
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Originally Posted by bolehboleh View Post
Hello everyone! I asked these questions in the election forum and it seems like everyone went off topic. Unfortunately, it caused the thread to get shut down. I'm trying to start a civilized debate about the man who may actually win the presidency.

I just have a few questions and comments to make and I hope that the Trump supporters on this site will answer or comment on what I've said/asked. I promise to engage you in civilized discussion and I hope that everyone else participating will do the same.

1. If Trump's slogan is "Make America Great Again," are we to infer that America is not currently great? If so, when WAS is great? Could you give me a year or time period and explain why? What makes the country NOT great?
2. I am American but I'm currently living and working in SE Asia. I regularly interact with other SE Asians, Australians, Middle Easterners and Europeans and everyone of them I've met think that he's a joke and that Americans would be nuts to vote for him. Does that worry you?
3. What plans has he laid out that will improve the condition of the country? How can he do a better job than Obama?
4. Do you think he has a better chance against Hillary or Bernie? Why?
5. Who do you think he should choose as his VP if he gets the nomination? Why?
6. Does his lack of political experience worry you? He claims he's going to do a lot, but he'll get nothing done if without Congress.
7. If he gets elected, what would be his legacy?
I'm not FOR SURE going to vote for Trump, but he's the only Republican I would vote for, by a process of elimination. I've crossed all the others off my list. So I'll answer, since if I vote Republican, that's who I would vote for.

1. Irrelevant nonsensical question
2. No. George W. Bush changed the rules on that. America was a laughingstock for electing him not once, but then they made the same mistake again. A UK paper even came out with the headline after the re-election: "How can 50 million people be so stupid?" or something like that.
3. No one has definitive plans at this stage of the game. Anyone who says he has a plan is lying. He has a draft of something that someone gave him, but there is no way any plan outline from now will ever actually be used.

What candidates usually do at this stage is present their philosophy and their stands on the different issues.

Candidates themselves do not actually come up with plans, nor would I want them to. That is best left to a group of people with the same objective.

4. I have no idea if he has a better or worse chance against the Democrats than the other Republicans. I do think that Clinton has an edge against any other candidate.

5. I don't have a preference for VP right now. As long as it's not Palin. That would sink him fast.

6. Yes.

7. He hasn't even won the nomination. Isn't it a bit early to asking about his, or anyone else's, legacy? Irrelevant question.
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Old 02-28-2016, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Nebraska
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Why does some one that doesn't live in the US care about our elections here in the US and why did the OP need to mention that the people where they live consider Trump a joke? And why did the OP see the need to even say they do not live in the US to begin with?

The reason no one is answering you is because you have already started negative thread.

It's obvious that a bias selective reasoning for this has all ready been established and that this mind set will poison any comments.
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Old 02-28-2016, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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I agree. It's really pitiful that the Republicans are so bad off.
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Old 02-28-2016, 02:32 PM
 
Location: SW Florida
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Every time I see a Trump supporter interviewed, they have no good answers as to why they support him. (This goes for other candidates as well, but particularly for Trump supporters.) I would truly like to know the answers to your questions as well. "Make America Great Again" does make it sound like we aren't great now....when I think about where we were in 2008 as opposed to now, we have made an incredible comeback! I am seeing new developments going up all over the place...I am seeing homes sell quickly.....that to me is the best sign of a robust economy.

People blindly follow Trump because they believe all his own hype and they love that he just destroys anyone who dares criticize him. They figure if he promises a wall that Mexico will pay for, it'll get done somehow -- they don't care about the details.

He has not one ounce of class. Did I hear that he is criticizing Marco Rubio's EARS??? He is a total joke and yes, it's not only the foreigners who think so. And Rubio and Cruz look like clowns too, because they're going right down to his level, making fun of his spray tan, saying he's a con man, finding dirt on him from 35 years ago about Polish workers....OMG. Can you say desperate!

That said, this will sure be interesting. If the Repubs have to nominate him, it will be hilarious watching all those Repubs who criticized him now having to act like he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. I expect and hope there is a massive Obama-style minority turnout for the election to support Hillary.

I really thought Kasich would float to the top, once the Repub voters got disgusted with all the craziness between the rest of the nut jobs. That window's closing fast. Ughhhh, CRUZ....he makes my skin crawl.
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Old 02-28-2016, 02:46 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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The Constitution doesn't allow for a theocracy, regardless of what the Evangelicals want.
I am aware of that. However, appointing a SCOTUS justice who is interested in making "faith based rulings" could change the American religious scene - for the evangelicals, that would include overturning Roe v. Wade. Corporate friendly rulings, implementation of the Death Penalty on a larger scale, teaching of "creation science" along side actual science, vouchers for private "Christian schools" - all of that stuff.

If you have not yet learned about Christian Dominionism, you should. There will be no revolution or take over. Just a gradual erosion of separation of church and state.

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Old 02-28-2016, 04:39 PM
 
Location: USA
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Why would a conservative want to post in this thread? Progressives are saying what conservatives want instead of talking about what they themselves want. That's what people know about. They know what they themselves want, but they keep talking about what they don't know.

I'm not a supporter of anyone because there are no good solid candidates on either side. Hillary Clinton is an abomination and I cringe at the notion she will be president. Sanders is a loose cannon. I don't know much about the Republican candidates, other than Donald Trump from TV. What they say doesn't really mean much.

There hasn't been a good strong leader in the white house in I don't know when and it doesn't look like there will be anyone in the future. George Bush did little for this country and B. Obama has done more harm than good, in my opinion.

Can it ever be better? I don't know. The leaders we've put in office have done little to help this country and they've done a lot of harm.
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