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1) Double his support? Every day that goes by he LOSES more support as more Republicans come right out and say they back Cruz and will never support Trump.
REPEAT, they will have to play ball eventually. A some point they will be confronted with the fact that the choice is Trump or Hillary. At that point, he will get most of the establishment on his side.
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2) Hillary is destroying Sanders with black voters but you think Trump will somehow get them to vote for him over Hillary? .
REPEAT: He only has to peel off a minscule amount. As a famous person and a textbook liberal he has more chance of doing so than any other republican.
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LOL!!
People of limited intellect use these kinds of expressions. It shows both that you lack self confidence and have to compensate with posturing, and that you lack a better means of expresing youself. Please dispense with this kind of thing as it reflects poorly on you.
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3) It would have happened by now, wishful thinking.
Actually the FBI has an active investigation. You simply aren't following what is going on.
REPEAT, they will have to play ball eventually. A some point they will be confronted with the fact that the choice is Trump or Hillary. At that poitnt, he will get most of the establishment.
REPEAT: He only has to peel off a minscule amount. As a famous person and a textbook liberal he has more chance of doing so than any other republican.
People of limited intellect use these kinds of expressions. It shows both that you lack self confidence and have to compensate with posturing, and that you lack a better means of expresing youself. Please dipense wtih this kind of thing as it reflects porrly on you.
Actually the FBI has an active investigation. You simply aren't following what is going on.
The establishment will never get behind Trump, sorry. If they can't screw him out of the nomination somehow, they will find someone to run 3rd party and throw their support behind them. In what universe does Trump win any decent size of the minority vote? He would need to win around 65% of the white vote (which has never happened) and STILL need around 30% of the minority vote. Romney got 59% of the white vote and still got crushed by Obama in 2012. Trump has ZERO chance.
I'll play the role of Trump supporter: 'It's a media conspiracy! Even if it's true, there are enough old white voters to put him over the top! Go Trump!'
How'd I do? Was that at least somewhat believable?
Don't forget #1: Hey, a poll 8 months out is completely useless!! [Ignores that Mr. Trump and his supporters were gleefully citing favorable general election polls 2 months ago]
#2: Mr. Trump will pivot and become more of a moderate to appeal to normal people . . . his followers will be fine with it because they are under the spell . . . . remember, he said tonight that his supporters are loyal and that he could do just about anything and his followers will remain loyal (I smiled when he added "just about" in that sentence about two counts later).
Actually the FBI has an active investigation. You simply aren't following what is going on.
FBI is an investigative arm of the DOJ; FBI is like the police. FBI therefore cannot indict anyone. It has to present its findings to the DOJ, which is like the prosecutor's office. Attorney General Loretta Lynch makes the final decision . . . but she has a prosecutorial discretion on whether to indict Hillary. If things were going south for Hillary, you can be assured that Plan B would have been activated by now . .. . there's no question that Lynch, a member of Obama's cabinet, has been apprising the White House on the progress all along. Just think about this rationally.
Look at those numbers, oooooff! Said it before and I will say it again, if its Hillary and Trump, he will lose in an epic landslide. It will be one of the most lopsided elections in history.
In a hypothetical Clinton v. Trump contest in November, voters under 35 would choose Clinton by a crushing 52%-19%, a preference that crosses demographic lines. Among whites, she'd be backed by nearly 2-1, 45%-26%. Among Hispanics, by more than 4-1, 61%-14%. Among Asian Americans, by 5-1, 60%-11%. Among African Americans, by 13-1, 67%-5%. ...Nearly one in four Republicans would defect to the Democrats if the GOP nominated Trump against Clinton. Just 7% of Democrats would defect to the GOP. A new Reuters poll shows that fully 50 percent of American women hold a "very unfavorable" view of Trump, up ten points since the fall. The survey predicts that Clinton would beat Trump among women by 14 points, while Trump would narrowly carry men. That math portends a decisive loss. A new Gallup poll shows that only 12 percent of U.S. Hispanics have a favorable opinion of Trump, while 77 percent have an unfavorable view of him. By comparison, 59 percent of Hispanics have a favorable view of Democratic hopeful Hillary Clinton.
OMG! He must not be conservative enough to win! (That's what they always blame it on when they lose, not that their candidate was a loser to begin with.)
The establishment will never get behind Trump, sorry. If they can't screw him out of the nomination somehow, they will find someone to run 3rd party and throw their support behind them.
This is an assumption on your part and simply not true. They can easily make peace and move on.
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In what universe does Trump win any decent size of the minority vote?
REPEAT A SECOND TIME: He needs only a small percentage of the black vote.
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He would need to win close to 70% of the white vote (which has never happened)
This is exactly what we are talking about when we talk about the marraige of base republicans with Jacksonian democrats. Good for you, you are starting to catch on.
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and STILL need around 30% of the minority vote.
Your numbers are bogus. Whites are still 62-72% of the country depending on how you calculate them. They vote at higher rates than Hispanics, and have a larger percentage at voting age.
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Romney got 62% of the white vote and still got crushed by Obama in 2012.
No, he wasn't crushed. He was soundly beaten,but far from crushed. You are going off the rails here because blacks turned out in unsustainably high numbers to vote for Obama. These numbers are already cratering with Cinton, as voting is down by up to a third in some democratic primaries. Conversely, a lot of whites stayed at home because there was no candidate representing them--Republican turnout is now way up. What you don't understand is that turnout matters.
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Trump has ZERO chance.
Trump has about a 25% chance. He has a lot of work to do, and he has to say and do the right things from here on in.
You would do well to broaden your news horizons from MSNBC and the Huffington post. Democratic insiders are very concerned about the rise of Trump and what it means to the changing face of politics in our country. If you want to put your head in the sand, go ahead. But even if Trump loses, those Jacksonian Democrats are up for grabs in every election hereafter, and that is NOT good news for the the libdems.
OMG! He must not be conservative enough to win! (That's what they always blame it on when they lose, not that their candidate was a loser to begin with.)
As giddy as I get over Trump being the candidate, there's a part of me that keeps saying GO CRUZ! because that would shut down that "not conservative enough" narrative once and for all.
Hillary will demolish Trump but then we'll still have to listen to that yada yada for a long time to come. Methinks I should scuttle off and donate some serious $ to Cruz's campaign..
As giddy as I get over Trump being the candidate, there's a part of me that keeps saying GO CRUZ! because that would shut down that "not conservative enough" narrative once and for all.
Hillary will demolish Trump but then we'll still have to listen to that yada yada for a long time to come. Methinks I should scuttle off and donate some serious $ to Cruz's campaign..
cruz has done horrible in most of the south and most other states. Plus he just got the sucker punch endorsements from the establishment. So much for the "outsider" label, he has become one of the insiders with his new endorsements/half endorsements. The guy sounds desperate and is showing his true colors. Not pretty.
As giddy as I get over Trump being the candidate, there's a part of me that keeps saying GO CRUZ! because that would shut down that "not conservative enough" narrative once and for all.
Hillary will demolish Trump but then we'll still have to listen to that yada yada for a long time to come. Methinks I should scuttle off and donate some serious $ to Cruz's campaign..
Go for it! I think he's doing a little better against Hilary in the polls, but that's because most casual voters don't know much about him. But Hilary would probably crush him. A homophobic, pious zealot like Cruz is poison in the general election.
This is an assumption on your part and simply not true. They can easily make peace and move on.
REPEAT A SECOND TIME: He needs only a small percentage of the black vote.
This is exactly what we are talking about when we talk about the marraige of base republicans with Jacksonian democrats. Good for you, you are starting to catch on.
Your numbers are bogus. Whites are still 62-72% of the country depending on how you calculate them. They vote at higher rates than Hispanics, and have a larger percentage at voting age.
No, he wasn't crushed. He was soundly beaten,but far from crushed. You are going off the rails here because blacks turned out in unsustainably high numbers to vote for Obama. These numbers are already cratering with Cinton, as voting is down by up to a third in some democratic primaries. Conversely, a lot of whites stayed at home because there was no candidate representing them--Republican turnout is now way up. What you don't understand is that turnout matters.
Trump has about a 25% chance. He has a lot of work to do, and he has to say and do the right things from here on in.
You would do well to broaden your news horizons from MSNBC and the Huffington post. Democratic insiders are very concerned about the rise of Trump and what it means to the changing face of politics in our country. If you want to put your head in the sand, go ahead. But even if Trump loses, those Jacksonian Democrats are up for grabs in every election hereafter, and that is NOT good news for the the libdems.
Minorities are more than just black you know? Again, Trump needs around 30% minority votes which will never, ever happen and thats IF he can get a record number of white voters. Zero chance. Here ya go
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So much for the "outsider" label, he has become one of the insiders with his new endorsements/half endorsements. The guy sounds desperate and is showing his true colors. Not pretty.
