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Old 03-18-2016, 11:57 PM
 
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As giddy as I get over Trump being the candidate, there's a part of me that keeps saying GO CRUZ! because that would shut down that "not conservative enough" narrative once and for all.
Hillary will demolish Trump but then we'll still have to listen to that yada yada for a long time to come. Methinks I should scuttle off and donate some serious $ to Cruz's campaign..
Do something better with your money...supporting Cruz is like supporting the next death knell of the GOP. The man is unelectable in a general, which will cause the GOP to go through another reflective time, concluding that they need to be more inclusive and, then, never following through and nominating someone even nuttier in 4 years...If that's possible.
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Old 03-19-2016, 12:00 AM
 
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Do something better with your money...supporting Cruz is like supporting the next death knell of the GOP. The man is unelectable in a general, which will cause the GOP to go through another reflective time, concluding that they need to be more inclusive and, then, never following through and nominating someone even nuttier in 4 years...If that's possible.
Do you people who claim this not follow anything at all? Hillary dominates Trump in nearly every head to head poll, yet Cruz beats Hillary. Cruz is FAR more electable

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Clinton
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton
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Old 03-19-2016, 12:01 AM
 
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Do something better with your money...supporting Cruz is like supporting the next death knell of the GOP.
Well that's exactly my goal. It's on my bucket list, worth the money.
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Old 03-19-2016, 12:04 AM
 
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All these hypothetical statistics are against Trump, yet in reality land, he still has won more than twice the states as Cruz.
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Old 03-19-2016, 12:05 AM
 
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REPEAT A SECOND TIME: He needs only a small percentage of the black vote.
You cannot possibly know that, unless you know how the other groups vote in the election.

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Your numbers are bogus. Whites are still 62-72% of the country depending on how you calculate them. They vote at higher rates than Hispanics, and have a larger percentage at voting age.
You are ignoring something huge. About 53% of those whites are women, and a majority of them have very unfavorable view of Mr. Trump. They are not voting for him.

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No, he wasn't crushed. He was soundly beaten,but far from crushed. You are going off the rails here because blacks turned out in unsustainably high numbers to vote for Obama. These numbers are already cratering with Cinton, as voting is down by up to a third in some democratic primaries. Conversely, a lot of whites stayed at home because there was no candidate representing them--Republican turnout is now way up. What you don't understand is that turnout matters.
Indeed, turnout matters. A lot. Based on math, the record GOP turnout is about ⅔ attributable to people who voted for someone other than Mr. Trump. Many/most of those people are not expected to coalesce behind Mr. Trump, as shown by recent events.

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Trump has about a 25% chance. He has a lot of work to do, and he has to say and do the right things from here on in.
His chances might be higher . . . I don't like the matchup because he is unpredictable; Cruz would be predictable.

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You would do well to broaden your news horizons from MSNBC and the Huffington post. Democratic insiders are very concerned about the rise of Trump and what it means to the changing face of politics in our country. If you want to put your head in the sand, go ahead. But even if Trump loses, those Jacksonian Democrats are up for grabs in every election hereafter, and that is NOT good news for the the libdems.
Haven't you been following the news, the GOP is going to screw over Mr. Trump in the buttocks, which would obviously anger his supporters for a long time. Where are they gonna go? Who knows, but they ain't staying. That in turn would ensure that the Democrats will dominate the GOP for some time. Just numbers. Oh well.

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Old 03-19-2016, 12:06 AM
 
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Do you people who claim this not follow anything at all? Hillary dominates Trump in nearly every head to head poll, yet Cruz beats Hillary. Cruz is FAR more electable

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Clinton
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton
As your link shows, HRC will defeat Cruz no less handily than Trump. But importantly a Cruz defeat would also mean the death of the Tea Party. Sadly a Trump defeat would mean the Tea Party lives on to fight another day.
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Old 03-19-2016, 12:10 AM
 
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Well that's exactly my goal. It's on my bucket list, worth the money.
And what would you replace it with?? Some far right wing moral majority reincarnation that would be even more out of touch with Americans?? Good luck with that one...
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Old 03-19-2016, 12:13 AM
 
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As your link shows, HRC will defeat Cruz no less handily than Trump. But importantly a Cruz defeat would also mean the death of the Tea Party. Sadly a Trump defeat would mean the Tea Party lives on to fight another day.
She holds a +6.3 average over Trump but Cruz still holds a +.08 lead over her. She's doing worse against Cruz, not better. She's lost 5 of the last 6 polls to him. However, she's doing better against Trump, beating him in the last 5 out of 6. Trump is trending the wrong way, Cruz is trending the right way.
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Old 03-19-2016, 12:19 AM
 
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Polls from 36 years ago with completely different candidates are useless and insignificant when it comes to 2016.
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Old 03-19-2016, 12:23 AM
 
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Polls from 36 years ago with completely different candidates are useless and insignificant when it comes to 2016.
Well of course not dexter, history can never repeat! But I'll play.....using your same logic, polls in March before we even have the candidates selected, haven't campaigned against each other, are also useless/insignificant. Check your logic closer next time.

Exhibit B, June 2015 article by the huff and huff on how donald trump has basically no chance in the primary. "MOST" republicans would never even "CONSIDER" voting for him:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_7595330.html

Love # 11.

"11. His favorable ratings are terrible, and most Republicans would never even consider voting for him"

"In conclusion, nope."


See what I mean dexter? The "experts" and polls have been horrible predictors. And they're still trying and you and others keep parroting this wrongness.

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