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You're the one mischaracterizing. No one said poorly educated meant stupid. Poorly educated means just that.... poorly educated. O'Donnell was merely pointing out the mind boggling position of most politicians that the public education system is badly failing, but then go on to say that "will of the voters" who went through this failing system is somehow sacrosanct an unassailable.
You hate to see the insiders picnic get rained on.
This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever from the average voters prospective. I'd go as far as to wager that none of us here on this thread are "insiders", so what have we got to gain by keeping the "insiders picnic" from getting rained on? This accusation is much like the "establishment" accusation regularly leveled at Trump's detractors here on this sight....
Isn't it possible that we just do not like Trump as a candidate, with no ulterior motive? Couldn't the answer really be just as simple as that?
Of course it is, but to acknowledge that, Trump supporters, or, people like yourself who aren't explicitly supportive of Trump but who ascribe to the "rebirth through annihilation" strategy, wouldn't be able to dismiss our concerns out of hand. No, much easier to just sweep our arguments under the rug and dismiss them whole cloth by claiming that we want to protect the "establishment" rather than counter them on substance.
Or kind of like not being a damn coward and continuing on with the way things are going. What a brilliant plan. /sarc
Republicans are tired of the way things are so they ( or more specifically, about 35% of them ) said "hey, we can fix this by electing a brash reality show TV host, that can't fail"....
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It's not multiple personality disorder. It's tactics. The fact that so many don't get that shows the unbelievable ignorance that permeates this country. As for not having the power to do this or that, he has the power of persuasion. He's VERY good at it. .
Or, to put it the way one of Trump's top dog's put it, "Trump is playing a part"....
Call it a "part", call it "tactics", call it "persuasion", call it whatever you want. I can't vote for someone that I don't know who they really are, what they really believe, what they actually stand for, or what their principles are.
If Trump is just using "tactics" or "persuasion" how do any of us know what we're really getting? How do you know he isn't just telling you what he thinks you want to hear to get to the position he wants, and then turn around and become just another pawn in this system that you so believe is corrupt? Or is the fact that "the establishment" hates Trump so much good enough for you?
Like I said, call it whatever you want, I call it FRAUD.....
Try and put your emotions on the backburner for a second. Look at what you said: Trump makes the status quo seem preferable. If that were true, Jeb Bush would be our frontrunner, he isn't. One by one, Trump has and is knocking the establishment candidates out of the race.
Such a conclusion ignores just how much Trump has benefited from a fractured field of candidates and the fact that he only has support from a minority of voters. Something like 65% of Republican primary voters have voted for someone other than Trump. Trump has NEVER broken the 50% barrier in any of the primaries, save for one, his home state of New York (which we all know is a hotbed of Conservative thought and ideals...)
A plurality of support from 35% of the voters is not a mandate. Far from it. If I concede for the sake of argument that all the other candidates in the field represented the status quo, then K9coach's assessment is actually proven by the votes.
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And if you think that anyone who takes that much money from his/her mega-rich donors isn't beholden to them, well I have some oceanfront property to sell to you.
And if you think that anyone who takes that much money from his/her mega-rich donors isn't beholden to them, well I have some oceanfront property to sell to you.
I don't see how being a "mega-rich donor" is any more morally superior than being the politician that's beholden to them?
Yet somehow, Trump, a self-admitted mega-rich donor who admits to buying influence his entire professional career and contributes to the corruption, he gets a pass for that from people like you? When the politicians take their money, they're bad, but when Trump buys politicians, hey, he's just doing what he has to do, right?
Isn't it possible that we just do not like Trump as a candidate, with no ulterior motive? Couldn't the answer really be just as simple as that?
It could be, but never is. This is due to the hypocritical double standards applied to Trump, insults tossed at his supporters, and complete derangement over Trump's every move, used to justify said "opinion".
It's easy enough to say.. "I don't like Trump" and move on. Let us know when this actually happens.
I don't see how being a "mega-rich donor" is any more morally superior than being the politician that's beholden to them? Yet somehow, Trump, a self-admitted mega-rich donor who admits to buying influence his entire professional career and contributes to the corruption, he gets a pass for that from people like you? When the politicians take their money, they're bad, but when Trump buys politicians, hey, he's just doing what he has to do, right?
Easy answer....
Trump as a businessman has been forced to play this game because crooked politicians have rigged the system where they pick the winners & losers based on the payola. Trump seeks to end it. It's as simple as that. Most others, are quite happy to play that game because they would have never gotten to where they are without out. (See Banking/Wall Street legislation)
This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever from the average voters prospective. I'd go as far as to wager that none of us here on this thread are "insiders",
Nor did I say they were.
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so what have we got to gain by keeping the "insiders picnic" from getting rained on? This accusation is much like the "establishment" accusation regularly leveled at Trump's detractors here on this sight....
Isn't it possible that we just do not like Trump as a candidate, with no ulterior motive? Couldn't the answer really be just as simple as that?
A lot of people don't but when people back a candidate that is for everything they claim to be against otherwise it's something different. When you find people defending the idea of picking our representative based upon back room dealings it's something different.
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Of course it is, but to acknowledge that, Trump supporters, or, people like yourself who aren't explicitly supportive of Trump but who ascribe to the "rebirth through annihilation" strategy, wouldn't be able to dismiss our concerns out of hand. No, much easier to just sweep our arguments under the rug and dismiss them whole cloth by claiming that we want to protect the "establishment" rather than counter them on substance.
I've said I can't vote for Trump because of his positions. I'm not about to defend the crap the parties are pulling though.
Such a conclusion ignores just how much Trump has benefited from a fractured field of candidates and the fact that he only has support from a minority of voters. Something like 65% of Republican primary voters have voted for someone other than Trump. Trump has NEVER broken the 50% barrier in any of the primaries, save for one, his home state of New York (which we all know is a hotbed of Conservative thought and ideals...)
A plurality of support from 35% of the voters is not a mandate. Far from it. If I concede for the sake of argument that all the other candidates in the field represented the status quo, then K9coach's assessment is actually proven by the votes.
This also........I find it so odd that one will argue that the candidate with the most votes, even if not a majority should be dismissed for a candidate that has even less.
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