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Old 07-30-2016, 04:00 PM
 
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It's interesting that someone asked why I was voting for Trump so I would like to re-iterate my views for others to see.

Firstly, I keep using the term gay liberal when I describe myself. This is primarily to show the readers that there is a diverse group of people supporting Trump. And as much as the media tries to guilt us into voting Hillary by calling us racists and white trash I will not bend at the knee for them.

There are 2 main reasons I am voting Trump:

The first is with respect to our economy. In case you are not aware it is in rough shape. The latest GDP numbers have us pegged at a growth rate of 1.2% which is extremely low. The median income for American families is dropping, millennials are set to be the first generation to make less than the previous, and home ownership is at historic lows.
This is due to Obama's economic policies and the FED. Hillary is looking to continue on this track even though it is clear that it is not working. The billionaires, big banks, and multi-national corporations are all routing for Hillary. She and her running mate Kaine have been supporters of the TPP free trade agreement - an agreement that is guaranteed to ship American jobs overseas. Trump is adamantly against it.

The other reason I am voting for Trump is for national security. Specifically, I believe radical Islam is a threat to our society and needs to be addressed. This is a touchy subject and often misinterpreted as racist. It is not. Unfortunately, Muslim refugees have been illegally invading Europe because their countries are in disarray. Many of these 'refugees' have been arrested for groping and raping European woman especially in Germany. They have also been involved in terror attacks in Europe. I do not believe it is the US responsibility to take the burden and the risk of bringing more refugees here when we have so many of our own issues to address.

This is why I am voting for Trump. I am hopeful he will once again put America first.
Trump2016!!

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Old 07-30-2016, 04:04 PM
 
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It's interesting that someone asked why I was voting for Trump so I would like to re-iterate my views for others to see.

Firstly, I keep using the term gay liberal when I describe myself. This is primarily to show the readers that there is a diverse group of people supporting Trump. And as much as the media tries to guilt us into voted Hillary by calling us racists and white trash I will not bend at the knee for them.

There are 2 main reasons I am voting trump:

The first is with respect to our economy. In case you are not aware it is in rough shape. The latest GDP numbers have us pegged at a growth rate of 1.2% which is extremely low. The median income for American families is dropping, millennials are set to be the first generation to make less than the previous, and home ownership is at historic lows.
This is due to Obama's economic policies and the FED. Hillary is looking to continue on this track even though it is clear that it is not working. The billionaires, big banks, and multi-national corporations are all routing for Hillary. She and her running mate Kaine have been supporters of the TPP free trade agreement - an agreement that is guaranteed to ship American jobs overseas. Trump is adamantly against it.

The other reason I am voting for Trump is for national security. Specifically, I believe radical Islam is a threat to our society and needs to be addressed. This is a touchy subject and often misinterpreted as racist. It is not. Unfortunately, Muslim refugees have been illegally invading Europe because their countries are in disarray. Many of these 'refugees' have been arrested for groping and raping European woman especially in Germany. They have also been involved in terror attacks in Europe. I do not believe it is the US responsibility to take the burden and the risk of bringing more refugees here when we have so many of our own issues to address.

This is why I am voting for Trump. I am hopeful he will once again put America first.
Trump2016!!
How is Trump doing amongst other gays you know? Know of other gay liberals that are planning to back him?

I've heard he may end up doing better with gays than the GOP usually does, in light of your 2nd point and the fact that gay marriage has already been nationalized. For economic reasons, he definitely has the edge though I'd prefer more of a flat tax (his tax plan is being revised). He's also opposed to Obamacare, which is good.

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Old 07-30-2016, 04:10 PM
 
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With HB2 in North Carolina and likely to spread to other southern states, I doubt Trump and the GOP are going to be friends to gays. Anti-gay marriage is actually part of the GOP platform. It is actually written into the platform. And I'm fine with getting rid of Obamacare as long as we get rid of Medicare too. There is no reason we should supplement Medicare recipients but not the rest of the country. So you want millions to lose health care? Fine, add the seniors to that list. They have no right to receive the amount of money they do and especially when the seniors were the largest group protesting; such a greedy bunch.

- Few seniors have actually paid for their Medicare benefits. According to an Urban Institute estimate, the typical retired couple paid $122,000 in lifetime Medicare taxes but can expect to receive benefits worth $387,000...(All figures are adjusted for inflation.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...cial-security/

And if they want to make Obamacare something that is state by state, that's fine too as long as those states can restrict coverage for those moving to the state for a good ten years or more. Something so large that people aren't motivated to move to a state for better coverage. I live in Washington state and know they would do a good job with it but I have no interest in covering a bunch of red state refugees because they got sick.
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Old 07-30-2016, 04:12 PM
 
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It's interesting that someone asked why I was voting for Trump so I would like to re-iterate my views for others to see.

Firstly, I keep using the term gay liberal when I describe myself. This is primarily to show the readers that there is a diverse group of people supporting Trump. And as much as the media tries to guilt us into voting Hillary by calling us racists and white trash I will not bend at the knee for them.

There are 2 main reasons I am voting Trump:

The first is with respect to our economy. In case you are not aware it is in rough shape. The latest GDP numbers have us pegged at a growth rate of 1.2% which is extremely low. The median income for American families is dropping, millennials are set to be the first generation to make less than the previous, and home ownership is at historic lows.
This is due to Obama's economic policies and the FED. Hillary is looking to continue on this track even though it is clear that it is not working. The billionaires, big banks, and multi-national corporations are all routing for Hillary. She and her running mate Kaine have been supporters of the TPP free trade agreement - an agreement that is guaranteed to ship American jobs overseas. Trump is adamantly against it.

The other reason I am voting for Trump is for national security. Specifically, I believe radical Islam is a threat to our society and needs to be addressed. This is a touchy subject and often misinterpreted as racist. It is not. Unfortunately, Muslim refugees have been illegally invading Europe because their countries are in disarray. Many of these 'refugees' have been arrested for groping and raping European woman especially in Germany. They have also been involved in terror attacks in Europe. I do not believe it is the US responsibility to take the burden and the risk of bringing more refugees here when we have so many of our own issues to address.

This is why I am voting for Trump. I am hopeful he will once again put America first.
Trump2016!!
Smart post.

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Old 07-30-2016, 04:19 PM
 
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How is Trump doing amongst other gays you know? Know of other gay liberals that are planning to back him?

I've heard he may end up doing better with gays than the GOP usually does, in light of your 2nd point and the fact that gay marriage has already been nationalized. For economic reasons, he definitely has the edge though I'd prefer more of a flat tax (his tax plan is being revised). He's also opposed to Obamacare, which is good.

Trump appears to be gaining support from the gays at least when I look at my social media. I would say that more people are #neverhillary as oppose to Trump supporters but there are some.

I'm especially impressed with many young liberal woman who are very vocal and strongly against Hillary and pro-Trump. It is a strange time in politics that's for sure.
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Old 07-30-2016, 04:30 PM
 
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It's interesting that someone asked why I was voting for Trump so I would like to re-iterate my views for others to see.

Firstly, I keep using the term gay liberal when I describe myself. This is primarily to show the readers that there is a diverse group of people supporting Trump. And as much as the media tries to guilt us into voting Hillary by calling us racists and white trash I will not bend at the knee for them.

There are 2 main reasons I am voting Trump:

The first is with respect to our economy. In case you are not aware it is in rough shape. The latest GDP numbers have us pegged at a growth rate of 1.2% which is extremely low. The median income for American families is dropping, millennials are set to be the first generation to make less than the previous, and home ownership is at historic lows.
This is due to Obama's economic policies and the FED. Hillary is looking to continue on this track even though it is clear that it is not working. The billionaires, big banks, and multi-national corporations are all routing for Hillary. She and her running mate Kaine have been supporters of the TPP free trade agreement - an agreement that is guaranteed to ship American jobs overseas. Trump is adamantly against it.

The other reason I am voting for Trump is for national security. Specifically, I believe radical Islam is a threat to our society and needs to be addressed. This is a touchy subject and often misinterpreted as racist. It is not. Unfortunately, Muslim refugees have been illegally invading Europe because their countries are in disarray. Many of these 'refugees' have been arrested for groping and raping European woman especially in Germany. They have also been involved in terror attacks in Europe. I do not believe it is the US responsibility to take the burden and the risk of bringing more refugees here when we have so many of our own issues to address.

This is why I am voting for Trump. I am hopeful he will once again put America first.
Trump2016!!
Insightful post, but I take issue with your notion that Trump would be a good steward of the economy. Care to elaborate how somebody that declared bankruptcy four times, ran multiple casinos into the ground, failed to pay his employees and contractors on time, outsourced his work overseas to increase his profit margin, etc, would be good for the United States economy?

People are so quick to assume that just because Trump has lots of money means he is rich. Let us not forget that he inherited a large sum of money from his father as a young man, and received very favorable tax abatements from New York City in the 70's that allowed him to renovate his first properties at discount prices.

Also keep in mind that nobody really knows how wealthy Trump is - without the release of his taxes all we can do is estimate.

As far as national security goes, it's a touchy subject. Yes there is a problem with Islamic terrorism in Europe - and to a lesser extent - the United States. However, Trump's divisive and polarizing rhetoric is not contributing to the solution at all. In fact, ISIS loves it when a major US figure speaks in this manner because it contributes to their belief that it's "them against us".

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Old 07-30-2016, 04:34 PM
 
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Trump appears to be gaining support from the gays at least when I look at my social media. I would say that more people are #neverhillary as oppose to Trump supporters but there are some.

I'm especially impressed with many young liberal woman who are very vocal and strongly against Hillary and pro-Trump. It is a strange time in politics that's for sure.
And now I don't believe you. I don't know any liberal anyone, especially women, who support Trump.
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Old 07-30-2016, 04:35 PM
 
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Insightful post, but I take issue with your notion that Trump would be a good steward of the economy. Care to elaborate how somebody that declared bankruptcy four times, ran multiple casinos into the ground, failed to pay his employees and contractors on time, outsourced his work overseas to increase his profit margin, etc, would be good for the United States economy?

People are so quick to assume that just because Trump has lots of money means he is rich. Let us not forget that he inherited a large sum of money from his father as a young man, and received very favorable tax abatements from New York City in the 70's that allowed him to renovate his first properties at discount prices.

Also keep in mind that nobody really knows how wealthy Trump is - without the release of his taxes all we can do is estimate.

As far as national security goes, it's a touchy subject. Yes there is a problem with Islamic terrorism in Europe - and to a lesser extent - the United States. However, Trump's divisive and polarizing rhetoric is not contributing to the solution at all. In fact, ISIS loves it when a major US figure speaks in this manner because it contributes to their belief that it's "them against us".
Determining good economic policy isn't rocket science -- politicians in DC just don't do it b/c it reduces their power. All else being equal, we'd be better off with reduced government spending, reduced regulations, a simpler tax code, and lower taxes. Trump supports most of this (though he's not as aggressive with reduced spending as I'd like) whereas Hillary opposes all of this (not b/c it helps people, but b/c it grow government [read: her power]).

In light of the weak economy (just look at yesterday's dismal GDP number, which was preceded by an awful GDP number in April), it makes little sense (at least to me) to continue or double down on Obama's economic philosophy.

If you think Hillary's economic policies would lead to more economic growth, I'd be curious to hear your reasoning -- I just don't see it.
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Old 07-30-2016, 04:46 PM
 
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Unless you're on the government welfare benefit gravy train, you would be stupid to vote for Hillary, gay or straight.
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Old 07-30-2016, 04:47 PM
 
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Insightful post, but I take issue with your notion that Trump would be a good steward of the economy. Care to elaborate how somebody that declared bankruptcy four times, ran multiple casinos into the ground, failed to pay his employees and contractors on time, outsourced his work overseas to increase his profit margin, etc, would be good for the United States economy?

People are so quick to assume that just because Trump has lots of money means he is rich. Let us not forget that he inherited a large sum of money from his father as a young man, and received very favorable tax abatements from New York City in the 70's that allowed him to renovate his first properties at discount prices.

Also keep in mind that nobody really knows how wealthy Trump is - without the release of his taxes all we can do is estimate.

As far as national security goes, it's a touchy subject. Yes there is a problem with Islamic terrorism in Europe - and to a lesser extent - the United States. However, Trump's divisive and polarizing rhetoric is not contributing to the solution at all. In fact, ISIS loves it when a major US figure speaks in this manner because it contributes to their belief that it's "them against us".
Trump is for Fair Trade.
This is very important because due to current trade agreements the US has outsourced a lot of good middle income jobs to other countries where they can get cheap labor. The idea was to pass along the savings to the consumer but we all know that doesn't happen and so we are paying the same for a car that is made in Mexico as we did when it was made in the US. We save nothing but Big Business makes a killing. And that's why they want the TPP to pass.

Trump has talked extensively at ways to help re-negotiate our trade agreements to help the US, including adding tariffs to goods that are produced overseas that are imported here and that can be produced here. The idea is to try and persuade companies to re-consider Made In America products; otherwise they have to pay more for overseas production. Hopefully this would make US manufacturing more competitive and create jobs.

Yes - he filed bankruptcy. Many successful businesses and individuals have had to do this. It's part of life and happens to many people who dream big and go big. And yes, his clothing is made in China - just like almost every other clothing company. The point is he wants to change it.
Hillary just wants more of the same. I don't like that there are a few pockets (mainly the coasts) that are thriving while the rest of the US is in decline.

With respect to ISIS - Hillary plans to increase the number of Muslim immigrants into the US. Why? I don't see why this is a necessity especially given the outcome in Europe of doing it. Trump wants to thoroughly vet each Muslim immigrant to ensure they will integrate and embrace America and not come here and try to change our values and beliefs.
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