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Old 11-04-2016, 11:21 AM
 
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The article seems generally on-target to me, except that the author has bought into the amorphous "Hillary lies" chant without offering any testable specifics to back up this claim. In other threads in this forum I've tried to nail down the specific lies that she is believed to have told - exact quotes that can be analyzed - but in the end the supposed facts turn out to be mostly just vague feelings based on some general feeling that "everybody knows." In other words, "it must be true because so many people say it" so we need not bother digging into specific details.

I'm not claiming that she has never told a lie. I'm only saying that, by virtually any objective measure, the widespread accusations against her are not actually fair or reasonable. Most politicians have far worse skeletons in their closets, but in this age of the internet every flaw or possible flaw is magnified and instantly solidified into something believed to be "obvious truth" by millions of people who were already seeking any rationalization they could find for hating any established politician who holds view contrary to their own. Hillary has been a primary target of this vilification for years because for years it has been obvious that she we setting herself up to run for president.
Sorry I have missed your repeated pleas.

I would have gladly obliged


Maybe you could skip ahead to the 10:00 mark where she repeatedly doubles down on her lies about her arrival "under sniper fire"...


 
Old 11-04-2016, 11:22 AM
 
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lol the sexism card. Is this going to be used to defend anything Hillary does while in office?
 
Old 11-04-2016, 11:24 AM
 
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Wow, you've been thoroughly drowned in the Kool-Aid at this point. Even willing to weaponize claims of sexism and aim them at Sanders supporters.

My niece was a major Obama grassroots worker and despises Hillary as a corporatist...I guess she's sexist too. You've really gone over the edge. Good day.
That's how I saw it when it happened. That's what happened and that's what men do. Your niece can hate her all day, but her hatred was fed to her for reasons I've noted 5 times now.

Why men are prone to interrupting women – Women in the World in Association with The New York Times – WITW
 
Old 11-04-2016, 11:24 AM
 
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And it's not just the "right wing" who doesnt like Clinton. But plenty of liberals who dislike her pro corporation, war hawking, and overall corruption of American politics.

Most people I know in California who identify as liberal can't stand her, and are holding their nose because they see Trump as a worse option. Outside of the pro Hillary media, there's really a lot of hatred of Hillary that not only comes from the right.
 
Old 11-04-2016, 11:25 AM
 
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I think they are now the #1 cable news channel, supplanting FNC.

I guess they hate other news channel more then.

Mick
I won't watch FOX or MSNBC and historically I have been a CNN supporter.

Sadly however, the batpoop nutty rightwing whiners about "big media" I generally tune out but there have been some stunning articles and errors put up about Trump on CNN and more importantly the leaking of the debate questions to Hillary that are proven.

Now sure, they're still better than Fox or MSNBC but when you run articles titled "What does Trump, Stalin and Pol Pot have in common?" you're really starting to roll in the pigpen.
 
Old 11-04-2016, 11:25 AM
 
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Her ideas vs his no ideas? The republicans could have chosen Kasich, a good man, but they didn't. Instead they chose the least qualified buffoon on the ticket. Why is that? He has no policy to speak of. His ideas are out of touch and dated. All he has is sexism and racism. That is what he's tapping into. Sorry if you guys don't like hearing that truth, but it is the truth.

And for Hillary- from the begging with that moron reported who never offered the apology he promised during whitewater it has been about her moving out of the traditional gender role and taking the lead. Her body of work is unmatched and all of these stupid accusation amount to nothing. Of course, nobody in this thread will know any differently because being informed takes effort and do people really want to be informed? Probably not. it's not necessary for this election cycle.
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I guess I don't see anything wrong here...oh wait, he said mean things. Please...
I haven't been all that happy with our current administration, and the direction it has taken our country and HRC will be more of the same. I really am tired of the same old career politicians and just want some real change. I'm willing to bank on the unknown vs the status quo
 
Old 11-04-2016, 11:26 AM
 
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And it's not just the "right wing" who doesnt like Clinton. But plenty of liberals who dislike her pro corporation, war hawking, and overall corruption of American politics.

Most people I know in California who identify as liberal can't stand her, and are holding their nose because they see Trump as a worse option. Outside of the pro Hillary media, there's really a lot of hatred of Hillary that not only comes from the right.
Yes I agree. I know people on facebook that were big Bernie supporters when he was still in the race, and they were calling Hillary the C word.. Females saying this too..
 
Old 11-04-2016, 11:27 AM
 
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I won't watch FOX or MSNBC and historically I have been a CNN supporter.

Sadly however, the batpoop nutty rightwing whiners about "big media" I generally tune out but there have been some stunning articles and errors put up about Trump on CNN and more importantly the leaking of the debate questions to Hillary that are proven.

Now sure, they're still better than Fox or MSNBC but when you run articles titled "What does Trump, Stalin and Pol Pot have in common?" you're really starting to roll in the pigpen.
It's hard to argue that CNN hasn't become Clinton News Network
 
Old 11-04-2016, 11:28 AM
 
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That's how I saw it when it happened. That's what happened and that's what men do. Your niece can hate her all day, but her hatred was fed to her for reasons I've noted 5 times now.

Why men are prone to interrupting women – Women in the World in Association with The New York Times – WITW

What about when Trump interrupts Cruz?

or when Cruz interrupts Bush??

or when Obama interrupts Romney?

Politicians are constantly interrupting each other during debates. To claim that somehow anytime someone interrupted Hillary was "because sexism" only further illustrates that YOU have been spoon fed the narrative and can't think straight.
 
Old 11-04-2016, 11:30 AM
 
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That's how I saw it when it happened. That's what happened and that's what men do. Your niece can hate her all day, but her hatred was fed to her for reasons I've noted 5 times now.

Why men are prone to interrupting women – Women in the World in Association with The New York Times – WITW
We've given you concrete examples of Clinton policy that we object to and your sole rebuttal is "sexism".

Do you know how to have a reasonable discussion?

From now on, I'm just going to yell "pizza" back at you as it's all the energy you deserve.
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