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View Poll Results: Did Hillary Clinton have anything to do with Stein's Fund for Recount? Multiple Choice Poll
Sure. "and" She secretly donated to the fund 54 31.40%
Sure she did. Still being Crooked-Hillary 81 47.09%
No Way! 24 13.95%
The Russians had something to do with it. 2 1.16%
The election was hacked for sure, right? 4 2.33%
The Donaters to Stein's fund are about to get ripped off $$$$ Burned! 39 22.67%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 172. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-03-2016, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Jill Stein has wrecked herself with this mess. Every single time she is interviewed, she goes off about electronic voting systems. So logically, those that use Direct Recording Electronic (DRE) Systems (DRE's) are the most vulnerable to the vote being hacked or tampered with. Those doing so without a paper trail are by far the highest risk of course. I found this listing of what technologies each state uses.

So based on what Stein keeps saying, the most vulnerable states are:
Most Vulnerable:
  • Kansas
  • Arkansas
  • New Jersey
  • Delaware
  • Louisiana
  • Georgia
  • South Carolina
Are we doing recounts in any of those states? No we are not.

And as it happens, Michigan and Wisconsin fall into the least at risk/hackable categories. PA is also not at particularly high risk for hacking, though it does have some DRE's without paper trail.

There are a total of two states where there was any actionable evidence of hacking: Illinois and Arizona. Are we doing recounts in those states? No we are not.

The choices of MI, WI and PA are pretty blatantly partisan and that is going to destroy Jill Stein's credibility forever.
As I have explained although the Tumpsters such as yourself have conveniently and completely ignored, it would make absolutely no sense to do a recount in any of those states for the exact reason that they switched to only electronic voting. A recount would not reveal what Stein is specifically looking for.
The recount is specifically targeting states with paper back up because the hacks can be detected if the paper recount totals sent per precinct, are different than what was tallied for that precinct at election central for that state. the tallies are sent "OVER THE INTERNET, VIA THE STATE"S ELECTION SITE. (relevant sentence) which would be very easy to hack and replace the actual vote totals cast with whatever number the the hackers wanted to send. Especially a nation's cyber warfare team.
It is a known and substantiated fact that the Russians hacked the exact same type of state website in Arizona in May and got 140,000 voter registrations. I feel it was a tentative probe to figure out how the various state's electoral systems work.
Liberals, Democrats, wake up and smell the coffee! The reason Stein is doing this is for exactly the reasons I've outlined. If the paper ballots in a state's precinct differ from the total votes tallied, and sent electronically to the central voting place, then hackers replaced the totals with their own numbers when the info was sent via the state's website. All we need is one state that shows it was hacked in this manner and the whole election can be called into question, resulting in much deeper scrutiny.
Many people who study these things are also considering the strange fact that For no particular reason, Donald Trump concentrated his last 10 days of campaigning in those three states very heavily. Poll watchers were wondering, "Why is he wasting his time in these dependable blue states?"
Fact's are that less than 80,000 votes total, in all three states, is all that was the difference between Trump or a Clinton's win.
There is definately a rotten fish buried somewhere in the process, IMHO.

Mohawk

 
Old 12-03-2016, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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^^^ He focused on those states because he knew if he won them, he would be President. It's not that complicated.
 
Old 12-03-2016, 12:59 PM
 
Location: N Atlanta
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Many people who study these things are also considering the strange fact that For no particular reason, Donald Trump concentrated his last 10 days of campaigning in those three states very heavily. Poll watchers were wondering, "Why is he wasting his time in these dependable blue states?"
Fact's are that less than 80,000 votes total, in all three states, is all that was the difference between Trump or a Clinton's win.
There is definately a rotten fish buried somewhere in the process, IMHO.

Mohawk
You mean just like Ohio ? Spending time in those states just reaffirms he understand the mentality of the Rust Belt, where Clinton and her team had no idea.

The only rotten fish are the ones like you who railed on and on about a Clinton landslide and are now grasping at straws.
 
Old 12-03-2016, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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You mean just like Ohio ? Spending time in those states just reaffirms he understand the mentality of the Rust Belt, where Clinton and her team had no idea.

The only rotten fish are the ones like you who railed on and on about a Clinton landslide and are now grasping at straws.
No, We always knew Ohio was in doubt all along. The wonder was him spending so much time, at the last minute, in states that were polling solid blue. And yes, in hindsight, we didn't see the haymaker coming from left field from those states. Neither did the pollsters or anybody else. It was truly an election anomaly. Plus the fact that the russians hacked a state's election website, which is the same website used to send the precinct tallies to election central for final total. That's why the recount. We're making a list, and checking it twice, we want to find out who's naughty or nice.
 
Old 12-03-2016, 01:50 PM
 
Location: N Atlanta
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No, We always know Ohio was in doubt all along. The wonder was hin spending so much time in states that were polling solid blue at the last minute. And yes in hindsight we didn't see the haymaker coming from left field from those states. Neither did the pollsters or anybody else. It was truly an election anomaly. that's why the recount. We're making a list, and checking it twice, we want to find out who's naughty or nice.
Who's we ? Are you a Green Party member ?
 
Old 12-03-2016, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Which would be impossible in 11 states (Like CA) where driver licenses
are issued to illegals.
The driver's licenses issued to undocumented people in California are different from licenses issued to citizens. It does not convey a right to vote, and the AB60 driver's license database is cross checked against voter rolls to make sure that no one holding one registered to vote.
 
Old 12-03-2016, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Who's we ? Are you a Green Party member ?
I'm sorry, you're not cleared or have a "Need to know" that information.

If I were a Trump supporter, I'd answer in the non PC manner and say, "It's none of your **** ing business.
 
Old 12-03-2016, 02:52 PM
 
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How much have you donated to Gatlinburg?
I just donated through the Smart Bank website for the Gatlinburg Relief Fund.
 
Old 12-03-2016, 03:14 PM
 
Location: N Atlanta
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I'm sorry, you're not cleared or have a "Need to know" that information.

If I were a Trump supporter, I'd answer in the non PC manner and say, "It's none of your **** ing business.
You're not that important that it really matters ...
 
Old 12-03-2016, 03:30 PM
 
Location: The Lakes Region
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The driver's licenses issued to undocumented people in California are different from licenses issued to citizens. It does not convey a right to vote, and the AB60 driver's license database is cross checked against voter rolls to make sure that no one holding one registered to vote.
Yesterday the Washington Times reports an alleged "loophole" in Obama's amnesty program will allow illegals to vote:

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President Obama’s temporary deportation amnesty will make it easier for illegal immigrants to improperly register and vote in elections, state elections officials testified to Congress on Thursday, saying that the driver’s licenses and Social Security numbers they will be granted create a major voting loophole.
While stressing that it remains illegal for noncitizens to vote, secretaries of state from Ohio and Kansas said they won’t have the tools to sniff out illegal immigrants who register anyway, ignoring stiff penalties to fill out the registration forms that are easily available at shopping malls, motor vehicle bureaus and in curbside registration drives.

Anyone registering to vote attests that he or she is a citizen, but Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted said mass registration drives often aren’t able to give due attention to that part, and so illegal immigrants will still get through.

That's why Obama was telling illegals to go ahead and vote and not worry about getting caught.....

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