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My My! Bill Clinton votes in Albany for Hillary yesterday and claims that one reason Hillary lost was because "angry white men voted for Trump."
How divisive and racist a statement! Just like when Van Jones claimed the vote for Trump was a
"whitelash."
So I guess it is appropriate to say that in 2008 angry blacks voted for Obama? Or is that bigoted and divisive?
I'm so confused!
I heard it reported that he DID NOT vote for Hillary.
Anyway, I want to know how it is that he (as well as Nancy Peloci's daughter in CA) were chosen as electors? My reading of Federalist 68 would seem to disqualify them both, because of their close ties, giving them an obvious bias. This needs to be investigated.
Let me see if I can help clear up some of your confusion. Bill was right, it is very apparent that Trump got a lot of his support from white Americans who were ticked off for various reasons. Their perception of how our country was going was one factor, but we can not ignore the hidden feelings that a lot of people had about Obama, and that hidden part was that he is black.
Trump tapped into the things that some people were ashamed or afraid to say publicly. I'm a white guy, but I realize that there is bigotry in this country. Some of us whites DO NOT like Obama simply for the reason that he is not white. Anyone who denies that is lying.
As for your other question, no, not everyone who voted for Obama was black. I am white and voted for him twice. We did it because America was in the toilet from Bush. People were losing homes and jobs left and right, and there was a lot to fix at that time. THAT is why we voted for Obama, and I would have voted for him a 3rd time, if I could.
We whites hate to admit that we do hold deep prejudices and biases. Trump never came out and said "white things" directly, but he made white people feel that people we do not like were going to be kicked out of the country (Mexicans and Muslims) and others were going to see more law enforcement coming down on them (blacks through his stop and frisk ideas). All Trump did was loudly and frequently say the things lots of whites were feeling but afraid to openly admit.
Hope that clears up your confusion.
" but we can not ignore the hidden feelings that a lot of people had about Obama, and that hidden part was that he is black".
The problem with your race argument is that Hillary Clinton is WHITE! And Obama won twice, including with the support of millions of White Americans like me and you. In fact Trump was able to win counties that went for Obama in 2008 or 2012, including my own.
It wasn't only "white Americans" who were unhappy with the status-quo. That is the "mainstream media" narrative. Americans of many stripes voted for Trump.
The dislike for Obama has nothing to do with the color of his skin. It has everything to do with his "Progressive" (a.k.a. Marxist/socialist) beliefs and his "fundamental transformation" of America.
If you think America was "in the toilet" because of Bush, think again. People losing homes goes back to Jimmy Carter's policies, and it is a matter of fact (and record) that home ownership under Obozo has fallen to the lowest level since WWII. So, whose responsibility is that? He had eight years, and things just kept getting worse. Joblessness is at an all time high too, with only 50% of the workforce (the "labor participation rate) employed. Bush had noting to do with this. This is Obozo's legacy.
To get in depth about the matter, would be rather interesting, and hopefully the post can sustain presence.
First let's clear up that Democrats are not of such divisiveness, nor could they even come close to the divisiveness Republican have demonstrated for the past 8 yrs. What democrats are saying, is..how could people not see beyond their own emotions and wants of a mentality display of the past; to become a model for tomorrow.
Listen to Trumps Own Words:
Does one have the slightest idea of what it takes to engage and move a mass by acts of "mind management manipulations"? If not think back and look at history, in America, and then about the world as it relates to people and the act of mind management manipulations.
In America for Centuries and Decades what did it take to make a whole nation of (white) people to have not only been party and supporters of slavery for centuries, and then followed it up with segregation for another century?
Think in terms of the regime and society in Germany under Hitler, or think of the society and regime under Mussolini.
All the people knew of the atrocities, but they were concerned with their own sense of prosperity and doing well, it was not of a concern as to the means or atrocities that contributed to them having such a sense of self and entitlements. These are demonstrations of acts and facts as to the how power influences the masses to adopt anything.
We saw and again and we continue to see it, where Trump said anything, and people supported it, when Trump said nothing the people supported it as if he actually said something, he was belligerent, mean spirited, braggadocios, arrogant, rude and crude in a variety of his rally's, pushing veiled threat to promote to incite people to violence, and went so far as to call for acts against Hillary, and invites to Russia to Hack our systems, attacked every institution of American governance, and every organization of governmental function and its elected and appointed people. He was and is the symbol of imagery that so many white people aspire to. It was like a replay of the 1960's collective fight of white people fighting against Civil Rights and Equality. The divisions showed themselves to be as such. The aftermath has shown the same spike in types of racist arousal that sprang up after the Civil Rights Act.
To those whom aspired and desired such, It mattered not what he said, says, or does, he is a white male, the history of the white male image was one who could in past times- belittle, attack, assault and infringe upon minorities and the poor without repercussions, and people have been groomed to pursue that imagery as their image of standards.
We see vividly Trump upending the nature and process of the office and people are willing to accept it without question. Yet, over 8 yrs they have quested everything with contempt leading the ways at the mere presence of Obama, then attacked anything and everything he said or did, when his acts and efforts were clearly for the people. Trump has proposed nothing that Obama did not propose and pursue, such as Jobs, the Economy and such things, and he uplifted this nation from the worst job loss in modern history and uplifted the economy from the worst crash since the great depression. The issue with many, is simply that he is a black man, and that image is not an image fed to a segment of white American in their media viewing, their daily environments, or in their business climates or even the associates and clientele.
Trump on the other hand is not only that image that white people seek, he makes that image by being a media entertainer, and all the history of his Media presence. to white people, he represents wealth and power, and often times when the focus is on that, "nothing else matters", and people are willing to accept anything from figures who represent an image of a white male with wealth and power. In many ways, its just that simple.
Repeat quote to emphasis that point of how simple it is.
Therefore, there is nothing to be confused about when his own words explains it. He knew that is how people can be "mind management manipulated" and he used it for that purpose and effect. He knew that image of grandiose, belligerent bully talk and aggressive arrogance is what many American white people respond to, especially the lesser educated, the working poor and the dire poor. Because they want an image to fit the dreams they hold about themselves. He used that technique on his TV show. It played to grandiose, belligerent manner, aggressive arrogance and utter and simply public displays with intent to humiliate. Even the people he used as contestants, were many times "has been's in the media" whom were willing to submit to being publicly humiliated for a pay day. the lesser educated and the working poor and poor American's loved it. It mirrored the mentality that people often want to have as being one of power to pump or dump the lives of others.
America has a long history of that mentality training, as was the elements of slavery and segregation a common every day platform for them to be and act such ways.
Many of the people saying "we just wanted something different", actually that's not true, "they wanted what they once had in the general public, which is why he was able to play to racism, attract racist groups and embolden the bigots and racist across this nation. If you look at the nature and mentality of prime time show, that appeal to white people, it is slap stick sarcasm, belligerent sarcasm and the likes which propels prime time and reality tv to dominate the media waves, Trump, knows this because his show built its reputation on that premise and function.
Realize, people are not that complicated, as stated by Trump in the quoted text, of which he reflects the same summation of what Hitler arrived to surmise about people.
Power and Money has no Soul!!!!! It has no concern for the soul; it has allegiance to what promotes Power and Money as being Influential and being of Domineering Power. Nothing matter beyond that, within such a system.
Life of the masses is expendable, for the preservation of the wealthy and power. This has been the system for centuries within the ideologies of man. You become a fighter or a laborer and/or both; this is the role of the indentured and always has been. Some of the indentured have become enslaved and others simply paid the same as it cost to house and feed a slave, no more and given a bit of autonomy in movement, but finances always controlled and limited that movement by many means, thus making it still as being a format of containment.
The media in the spin talking about hacking and every other thing, to feed public spin, when the facts involve looking at what is taking shape and how its moving forward, it has no concern as to how the win came to be, it matters only that the win was gained. This is too the mind of the right wing constituency. They function with the same devotion as if they are the new era of Confederate Soldiers, willing to give their everything for the sake of the wealthy indenturing class to provide for them, they are willing to accept practically anything under that belief and devotion unto such expectations.
You see Donald Trump, your new President, in a different light, a different way..... than most others do. Donald Trump was NOT elected because he is wealthy and powerful. America does not care how much money he has or how much power he has. (Yes it's nice and I am happy for him and yes it's obvious he is wealthy). Donald Trump is NOT boring, nor full of himself. He is...wait for it...wait for it..CONFIDENT!!... I wonder how many out there envy that about him and could not pick him to be the president because he came across to some as overly-confident? (A good example of fake over confidence would be Lyin' Hillary on election night)
Voters cared about someone taking America, cradling this country in their strong hands because they want positive change and they knew Donald Trump could make those changes!
Notdeceit,->>>>>Hillary<<<<<< frivolous spending, blowing off the deaths of 4 men in Benghazi, treating most people around her like dirt, playing dirty over and over and over with her hidden interests and agendas. You don't think AMERICA saw that she was not FIT to be our president??? Did you think voters forgot about how callous she was about the deaths of those 4 men? (now... maybe someday, in 2024, when Donald serves out his 8 years, will there be room again for another FIT woman to try and run. Hillary Rotten Clinton was not IT!
You need to understand Donald Trump a little better.... Do not mistake him for an idiot or someone you can lead around by the neck with a chain (like Hillary leads Bill around with). He is not a bully. I don't see him as one and neither do 60 Million voters. I've seen bully's at school. Donald is NO bully. He is direct and to the point, a bit rough on the edges for some but I see clarity, honesty and the dream to succeed to make this country great again!
My My! Bill Clinton votes in Albany for Hillary yesterday and claims that one reason Hillary lost was because "angry white men voted for Trump."
How divisive and racist a statement! Just like when Van Jones claimed the vote for Trump was a
"whitelash."
So I guess it is appropriate to say that in 2008 angry blacks voted for Obama? Or is that bigoted and divisive?
I'm so confused!
No confusion necessary; the answer is that the dems have their own distorted rules to live by, and if anyone doesn't join their ludicrous club they are immediately ostracized. Their first rule: Double Standard.
As for your other question, no, not everyone who voted for Obama was black. I am white and voted for him twice. We did it because America was in the toilet from Bush. People were losing homes and jobs left and right, and there was a lot to fix at that time. THAT is why we voted for Obama, and I would have voted for him a 3rd time, if I could.
Just to clarify, Bush went to congress 17 times with concerns that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac needed more oversight. By the 18th try it was too late.
Obama wasn't the only President who has had to deal with an obstructionist legislature.
Just to clarify, Bush went to congress 17 times with concerns that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac needed more oversight. By the 18th try it was too late.
Obama wasn't the only President who has had to deal with an obstructionist legislature.
"Mr. Bush did foresee the danger posed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored mortgage finance giants. The president spent years pushing a recalcitrant Congress to toughen regulation of the companies, but was unwilling to compromise when his former Treasury secretary wanted to cut a deal. And the regulator Mr. Bush chose to oversee them — an old prep school buddy — pronounced the companies sound even as they headed toward insolvency."
I'm white and I'm not 'ashamed' of it just because I can admit that there are racists, and I heard many of them with my own ears when Obama was elected. I don't like White Supremacists and I don't like the Black Panthers. They are angry, and sometimes violent, extremists. I don't subscribe to Black Lives Matter and I don't subscribe to Blue Lives Matter. Not big on joining 'movements' in general.
But it cannot be denied that judging from the pro-Trump angry defensive comments in response to non-threatening, non-confrontational comments in this very thread, it certainly appears that Bill Clinton was absolutely correct.
I'm white and I'm not 'ashamed' of it just because I can admit that there are racists, and I heard many of them with my own ears when Obama was elected. I don't like White Supremacists and I don't like the Black Panthers. They are angry, and sometimes violent, extremists. I don't subscribe to Black Lives Matter and I don't subscribe to Blue Lives Matter. Not big on joining 'movements' in general.
But it cannot be denied that judging from the pro-Trump angry defensive comments in response to non-threatening, non-confrontational comments in this very thread, it certainly appears that Bill Clinton was absolutely correct.
Yep. In their rush to deny what Bill said they confirm it with every post. All over this forum.
To get in depth about the matter, would be rather interesting, and hopefully the post can sustain presence....
You compare "truthful hyperbole...an innocent form of exaggeration" to Hitler's "colossal lie." Not the same thing. The former starts with the truth and exaggerates it. The other starts with a total lie.
An example. I recently bought a Mercedes. While test-driving the salesperson said something like "I heard, to my knowledge, no one has ever died in a crash in this car." I thought to myself, "total BS but I get the point -- it's a very safe car." Truthful hyperbole. A colossal lie would be to say the same if I were test-driving an unsafe car.
"First let's clear up that Democrats are not of such divisiveness.."
Disagree. Example "whitelash" was divisive and racist. While true that out of 60 million people who voted for Trump, some are racist, that's always will be true. Some who voted for Obama were racist. Some voted for Hillary were sexist. Hillary, democrats, liberal media talked identity politics. Race/sex/religious class warfare = divisive.
While I can't read the minds of the typical middle class white male, neither can you. I can only project my own feelings on to them. I supported Trump because I care about things like:
- jobs
- corruption in government (e.g. pay to play)
- excessive taxation
- stopping illegal immigration
- no stupid wars
- keep radical Islam out of our country
- enough of the fascist SJW mentality
- do something about inner city crime and economic situation
"We saw and again and we continue to see it, where Trump said anything, and people supported it, when Trump said nothing the people supported it as if he actually said something, he was belligerent, mean spirited, braggadocios, arrogant, rude and crude..."
Trump talked tons about the above issues. That's what I supported. To the degree that Trump was rude and crude, mean-spirited, I cringed.
Example:
Trump said that illegal immigrant Mexicans consist of criminals, rapists, murderers, and some good people I assume. I cringed at that. While true, they consist of a greater number of criminals types, it was an exaggeration to imply that most of them are. So what did I draw from that? That Trump is serious about stopping illegal immigration. Would he actually build a wall? Maybe, maybe not. Will he actually protect our borders? I think so. Will Hillary? Hell no. So, while that statement can easily be construed as racist, and is cringe-worthy, it was policy-wise a plus for Trump.
"...and went so far as to call for acts against Hillary..."
Like investigate her legally and "lock her up" if its found that she was selling out America for he own profit? Yeah, I'm for that.
"and invites to Russia to Hack our systems,"
Yup. I doubt it was Russia, but I support the hacks. If Trump's emails were hacked and read "Damn these middle-class white-trash are so gullible... they believe all the BS I'm telling them..." then I would applaud that as well, as would basically every democrat -- the fake rage would disappear. Truth, that Hillary will cheat in a debate to obtain president is more important to me than hacking.
"He was and is the symbol of imagery that so many white people aspire to. It was like a replay of the 1960's collective fight of white people fighting against Civil Rights and Equality."
This is my main complaint with your post. You assume that crude, belligerence, and mean spiritedness are what people voted for and aspire to. Are you a mind reader?
I believe that they, like me, were for the issues I listed above. Trump's nasty schtick probably did help paint the picture that he is truly serious about acting on the above issues. But IMO most voted for those issues, not the Trumps act.
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I wonder how many out there envy that about him and could not pick him to be the president because he came across to some as overly-confident? (A good example of fake over confidence would be Lyin' Hillary on election night) 
