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Old 02-18-2020, 07:47 AM
 
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All he's saying is IT requires a different skill set, and it does. The same would be true if he were talking about car maintenance. My understanding is that many farmers already employ IT in their business. There's nothing about the farm business that would rule somebody out of an information technology career, if they so choose.
That's some serious spin by you.

The hubris behind the word "diversity" is that people from big cities think they're diverse because their highschool had a gay prom or a mixture of ethnicities.

In reality, I'm one of a small % of people that have lived in small, medium, large and "mega" sized towns for a number of years in each one and frankly, not understanding that sort of diversity of life-style and also not having a good interaction with people from other socio-economic walks of life can leave you very very blind and full of oneself. (that's not directed at you but at people like Bloomberg who things he knows farming based on ??? oh that's right...nothing but ego.)

Ironically, I've seen just as much bigotry from not understanding diversity from the residents of large cities and what's worse, they can't even begin to see it in themselves because *sniff* they're from a big city, they're diverse because there are 5 ethnic restaurants in their neighborhood.
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Old 02-18-2020, 07:49 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Planning and running a farm that's productive enough to earn a living at requires more skill and experience and forethought and receptivity than you give credit to. Likewise for manufacturing trades.
Like fixing a combine 2nd week of July. Getting a mechanic at that time nearly impossible. You better know, or know someone who can fix it because at that time of year it could mean a lot of money with hail storms nearby.
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Old 02-18-2020, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Japan
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you're claiming bloomie didn't say this?

“It’s built around replacing people with technology, and the skill sets that you have to learn are how to think and analyze, and that is a whole degree level different. You have to have a different skill set, you have to have a lot more gray matter.
No, see post #103.

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i never once heard him reference the 1700s. everything in his statement was present day.
Listen to it again or see a transcript. He was talking about the timeline of history. There were thousands of years during which almost everybody did farm work, then about 3 centuries of the industrial age, and now the information age.

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“I could teach anybody, even people in this room, no offense intended, to be a farmer,” Bloomberg told the audience at the Distinguished Speakers Series at the University of Oxford Saïd Business School. “It’s a process. You dig a hole, you put a seed in, you put dirt on top, add water, up comes the corn.”

because being a farmer is a pretty offensive proposition, apparently.
I don't think that's what he meant.
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Old 02-18-2020, 07:54 AM
 
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Like fixing a combine 2nd week of July. Getting a mechanic at that time nearly impossible. You better know, or know someone who can fix it because at that time of year it could mean a lot of money with hail storms nearby.
One that is broken a quarter of a mile or more out in the field. Just one of the many hurdles that farmers have to deal with. Yeah, illegals or H1B visa workers aren't going to be the ones fixing that machine like someone mentioned earlier.
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Old 02-18-2020, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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This is a great quote to remember almost as good as mr Obama
You didn’t build it you were just lucky and privileged (white)
In that I came from extreme poverty and clawed my way out -far worse than mosT American ghetto -this one had a real sting to it
The “ you did not build that” is one of the more edited campaign remarks in modern campaign history.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_didn't_build_that
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Old 02-18-2020, 08:01 AM
 
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Bloomberg said nothing about any person's gray matter. He was talking job requirements in the information age, and said you need more gray matter to do the new IT jobs than you did to be a farm worker pre-1700 or become a factory worker when those jobs were created in the industrial revolution. It's ridiculous that this would be considered controversial.

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That's bull****. This isn't the 1700's. You are making excuses.
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Old 02-18-2020, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Having successfully killed off many plants with my black thumb, I know that farming is not for idiots. However, it appears that politics is a suitable place for many idiots.
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Old 02-18-2020, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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You mean that a politician compares millions farmers in the United States, to "idiots".



Care to try that again?
Hardly. He compared 3000 + years of an agriculture based society to the information based world, today.

What it once took to grow enough food to feed your family is not the same skill set it takes to survive , let alone prosper, today.

Editing out of context clips is what happens during election year. Seems most folk would rather rely on an edited sound bite than listen to what came before for context.

It is clear Bloomberg was talking about the agrarian society that lasted 3000 years before the Industrial Age that lasted 300 years. The modern economy does not create good reliable jobs for low skilled workers the way past economies did.

It is unreasonable to dispute his remarks when they are taken in context.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/...scending-jerk/

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Old 02-18-2020, 08:04 AM
 
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Bloomberg’s point at Oxford University was that the world evolved from mostly agriculture based to the Industrial Age to the Information Age.
You are simply making up excuses for what he said. He obviously compared factory workers and the American farmer to stupid idiots.
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Old 02-18-2020, 08:06 AM
 
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Harvesting is the most labor intensive part of farming. Farms engage undocumented people to perform this function and do so despite there is no cap on seasonal H 2A visas. This visa was created in 1952. Those visas require farmers to pay for transportation to/ from home country to job site, housing, meals, healthcare and competitive wage. H2B visa holders may bring their spouse and unmarried children under 21 although they are not legally able to work, despite temporarily living on the farm. Those children may attend US schools and the family is eligible for SNAP benefits. Then there’s the matter of birth right, once a faster path to citizenship.

One can see children working the fields alongside their parents as the sun sets during harvest.

It’s cheaper for farmers to engage undocumented workers and they do.

It’s curious to read so much outrage over edited Bloomberg’s response to a question From some of the same posters who are rapidly opposed to illegal immigrants.

Bloomberg’s point was that the globe has evolved from a mostly agriculture society to the Industrial Age to the Information Age- very different processes requiring more grey matter than physical strength.

Nothing particularly novel about his remark beyond that Bloomberg is running for nomination. His Democrat competitors and the Trump campaign are working OT.

You really are quite clueless as to how modern farming works. And if it was so easy, there wouldn't be 2B people starving on the planet.
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