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Old 02-17-2020, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Farmers these days are far and away the biggest welfare queens! Last two years alone farmers received 28 BILLION dollars in handouts, to bail them out from trump's disastrous tariffs. Of course, trump's stable genius business acumen led him to bankrupt a casino, among others, which takes tremendous lack of smarts. And of course if farmers were smart at all, they wouldn't have put themselves in the line of trump's tariffs.
Just because Obama and GW Bush lacked the required moral fortitude to address the trade imbalance that Quid Pro Clinton's normalized trade with the People's Republic of China created doesn't mean it's OK for a US president to continue ignoring it.


https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOP8mMSXYJQ
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Old 02-17-2020, 09:45 PM
 
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Actually, farmers are the better kind of welfare recipient, because as I mentioned, they provide something you and I both need. I would rather subsidize farmers than watch them all go bankrupt and become dependent on imported food products.

No such thing as a "better kind of welfare recipient". Take your communism back to the USSR, comrade!
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Old 02-17-2020, 09:49 PM
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I live in the USA, which has a mixed economic system blending capitalism and socialism. If you don't like it, you are free to leave. But I definitely would not advocate doing something against my nation's best interest, just to prove how much of a diehard partisan anti communist/socialist I can be. Allowing the rest of the world and their rock bottom crop prices to put our farmers out of business would be a very stupid thing to do in the long run.
You really don't get it.
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Old 02-17-2020, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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No such thing as a "better kind of welfare recipient". Take your communism back to the USSR, comrade!
There was no welfare recipients in the Soviet Union. You were property of the state, and that was about all. Nothing like that is being advocated for here in the USA, except by a few braindead far left types.


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You really don't get it.

Actually, I'm a little disgusted that something as important as the source of the food we depend on has become mere political fodder for the left.
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Old 02-17-2020, 09:54 PM
 
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There was no welfare recipients in the Soviet Union. You were property of the state, and that was about all. Nothing like that is being advocated for here in the USA, except by a few braindead far left types.
You're only digging a larger grave here, comrade. The road to hell is also filled with good intentions.
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Old 02-17-2020, 09:57 PM
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There was no welfare recipients in the Soviet Union. You were property of the state, and that was about all. Nothing like that is being advocated for here in the USA, except by a few braindead far left types.
Now you're just plain wrong. It is the Republican types who keep railing against the evils of socialism, not Democrats, despite there being literally zero likelihood of a socialist/communist takeover of the United States, and there also being a substantive difference between socialism and the democratic socialist policies proposed by the likes of Sanders, that goes completely over the head of most Republicans.

It is totally fair to point out the blatant hypocrisy of those same Republicans shrieking about socialism while giving cash handouts to farmers harmed by idiotic trade policies.
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Old 02-17-2020, 09:57 PM
 
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Farmers provide basic commodities that are necessary for life. Can you explain to me why actual welfare recipients are any more deserving of their welfare? How about all of our corporations that receive generous subsidies or are literally just gifted money?

I think it's quite insulting to call farmers "welfare queens". We all know welfare queens exist, and their contribution towards society is nothing compared to the sweat and sacrifice of the farmer who keeps America fat.

As for Bloomingturd, I don't know if he realizes it or not, but he is going to have to appeal to people in order to win. He sure is talented when it comes to repulsing minorities, midwesterners, and now farmers. Wonder what group will be the next target of his ire...
Machinists and tool and die makers.
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Old 02-17-2020, 10:45 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Machinists and tool and die makers.
I doubt he has a clue who they are or what they do.
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Old 02-17-2020, 10:48 PM
 
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Bloomberg is just Donald Trump with a little more refinement, maybe 30 more IQ points and not pandering as hard to the trucker hat demographic. Hard pass.
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Old 02-17-2020, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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For those inclined, this contains the entire question and Bloomberg’s response and provides a balanced review of Bloomberg’s points.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/...scending-jerk/

Jobs accomplished by following and repeating a specific series of steps are in marked decline.

My add: Most rule based based functions can be substituted by technology.

Modern manufacturing is not repetitive brain dead work. Often times, workers never see the same job twice, so every day is different. It actually does take some grey matter to do those types of jobs.

Mini Mike couldn't sound more out of touch, yet he wants to run the whole country and our industrialized economy with his "I know best" attitude. It sounds like he is clueless as to the needs of modern industry, yet he wants to run the largest industrialized economy.

The tech industry is like any other new industry that popped up in one important respect. It is fundamentally different from what came before it. That doesn't mean we should stop being competitive in all the industries and other sectors of the economy! We've watched these politicians trash US manufacturing for decades now, and Mike obviously wants to continue that trend. He will be crushed by Trump easily, if he can even win the primaries with such a snobbish, elites attitude towards people that make our modern life possible, comfortable and worth living. I can do without people like Bloomberg, but people like Bloomberg can't do without people like farmers to toil for him. He should be more appreciative.
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